Trent Lott has a plan for Iraq

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Oct 29, 2003.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    And as you would expect, it's full of nuance and a deep understanding of the broad sweep of Arab history, the effects of colonialism and Arab nationalism on each other, and the impact varying branches of Islam on Iraqi culture and politics.


    We have to destroy the village in order to save it.

    Is this where Michael Russ or some other numbskull tells me Vietnam analogies are unfair?

    And since there's someone out there who doesn't trust me, and I'm a full service poster

    http://www.thehill.com/news/102903/gopunity.aspx
     
  2. WLU_Mike

    WLU_Mike New Member

    Aug 22, 2003
    Ontario
    A fine example of why I'm glad you have Trent Lott and we don't. Don't worry though, the mayor of Toronto's ALMOST as much of a dumbass as he is.
     
  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    It was a dumb comment, even for Lott. Thinking first & then talking is usually a good idea for a politician. He hasn't learned that yet at his advanced age.

    But a more moderate voice like McCain in the same article said that we can't pvssyfoot around in Iraq and expect to be effective. Basically the Admin. & military has to come to a consensus on just what we're going to be doing there. Peacekeeping (which appears to be the case now - it's not working too well) or real combat with the remnants of the Hussein regime. IMO if we're in there we can't be indecisive. That's what could get more troops killed. Do the job right or get the hell out.
     
  4. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

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    But the terrorists or resistance or Baathists or whoever are not going to stand and fight, Manny. They're going to be doing exactly what they're doing. Our mission is to keep the civilian population supporting us instead of them. Going in harder militarily really only works when the civilians are on your side, or you flat out don't care what the civilians think. And that's not the war we're fighting.

    Lott's idea is, as Talleyrand would have said, worse than a crime - a blunder.
     
  5. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Seeing things there, Dan? ;)

    Anyway, I would say most of the Iraqi population is on our side. And "getting out" isn't an option at this point--that's exactly what we did in Somalia, and that's why bin Laden thought he could get away with attacking the US (he said as much--and, until 9/11, he was right). Like it or not, our troops are there for the long haul.

    IMO we need to increase our human intelligence assets on the ground. That's how we'll find Saddam and his henchmen. And, whatever we do, if we do get a tab on Saddam, we need to go after him with US forces--we can't afford to repeat the mistakes of Tora Bora.
     
  6. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    If it were the right eye, I could save it. But the left eye is quite incurable.

    -- From Zadig, or Fate.
     
  7. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    But, but...isn't the intel being used up to find those WMD?

    "On the ground" means we need people who speak the language or have locals who want to help. So, if the people are supporting the US troops, as you say, then they would help.

    I don't know.
    The terrorist attacks are being shown to be paid jobs. One guy they found, who was from Syria and he said he was paid. In fact, he was paid a few hundred dollars, not that much in reality. I'd imagine that the locals are being paid NOT to help the troops and the others are just too scared or don't know.

    Not much to go on, especially when you consider that the troops really don't want to be there.
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Which branch of the armed services had the Arab translators cashiered because they were gay?

    Oops.
     
  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Must've been the navy. You see the fruitcake hats & pants they make them wear? ;)
     
  10. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    Or worse, have terrorists actually working the inside job at Gitmo. It is a real shame when you see who the military has fired and hired.

    But, let's allow that Gay Arba deal rest. It's not like in their society they would have been accepted. :)

    In fact, it seems that we need more background on this issue. Being gay is not a crime in the military per se. You could be heterosexual and still not get any play from the ladies.

    It is the part that these guys were caught in the act or were telling people they were gay, right?

    Clinton always said, don't ask, don't tell.
     
  11. The Double

    The Double Moderator
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    Nov 11, 2002
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    Imagine if Stockwell Day had won? :p
     
  12. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
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    "Honestly, it’s a little tougher than I thought it was going to be,” Lott said. In a sign of frustration, he offered an unorthodox military solution: “If we have to, we just mow the whole place down, see what happens."

    Worked for Syria, they know how to deal with extremists, turn their areas into parking lots for a new shopping mall.
     
  13. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    You have some powerful nutters there

    This Trent Lott guy is making quite a reputation for himself.

    And then I read about this Lieutenant-General Boykin who is quoted in the Economist as saying stuff like "I knew my God was bigger than his God, and his was an idol" when reffering to a Muslim Somali warlord he dealt with. Another great quote from this guy is:

    "Why is [George Bush] in the White House ?. The majority of Americans did not vote for him. I tell you this morning that he's in the White House because God put him there."

    This bible-bashing loon would be a comic figure if he wasn't such a senior figure in the military, and made deputy undersecretary of defence in June. He surely would have to work with Islamic countries on matters of intelligence and security !.
     
  14. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    I'm flattered
     
  15. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    Heh. Oops.

    Sorry, you all look alike to me.

    Hey, some of my best friends are conservatives.

    Wouldn't want my sister to marry one, though.
     

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