Nistelrooy came out saying that he doesn't expect to play in the next game for the Netherlands as part of a disciplinary reason. He apparently apologized and already did not play for an unconsequential match vs. Moldova. Now that Euro2004 is a MUST for Holland, as there was no world cup for this team, I don't see how Dick Advocaat would want to risk continue disciplining his player, as he's already served one game by not playing. Maybe he can come on as a substitute later on. I'm not quite sure we can rely just on Kluivert in the front with his poor form at Barca this year. Any thoughts?
RVN Sucks That's my thought. He's done ZERO for Holland now he's whining about being substituted after ONLY 60-70 minutes of doing nothing useful. MaKaay and JFH should get chances before he does again, the idiot. Hell, I'd start van Hooijdonk over RVN, at least PVH is lethal on free kicks.
He's been off-form for a while. Before Tuesday he had 1 goal in 6 matches since a Birmingham PK. Even DIego Forlan is performingbetter than him...he scored 2 easy goals against Rangers..I mean the first was accidental, the second was due to the ball being perfectly placed by Giggs...a 7 year old can touch that one home. I saw the ESPN N. America feed, in which Tommy Smyth won't stop kissing RVN's ass. I'm like look dammit...Makaay should start along side either JFH or PVH, Kluivert doesn't deserve a call and neither does RVN.
Kluivert should start He's not a striker and he's real streaky but his scoring record for Holland is MUCH better than RVN's. And he's a more complete player by far.
I would like to see Ruud and Makaay partner up. Remember how everyone criticized Rivaldo for playing poorly for the national team? He goes on to perform brilliantly in the WC. Maybe Ruud will do the same.
Don't remind me about Rivaldo. All I remember him doing from the last world cup was falling over his own two feet, and then grabbing his leg earning that poor defender a red card. He gets fined (which is nothing compared to the World Cup), and comes out saying, I would do it again. I shudder the thought of associating Dutch players with such cheats.
have to go with Makaay and Kuivert.. f van nistel-whinge!!!!! lets worry bout stopping goals in all honesty.... but ya, negatory to horseface..
Than you obviously didnt watch any Brazil games. Aside from the Turkey theatrics, he scored FIVE goals. Which tied him for second with Miroslav Klose. He scored the equalizer against England, the winner against Belgium, and set up Ronaldo's second goal in the finals with a great dummy. Thats just to name a few. He also ran his ass off, played defense, made unbelievablely accurate crossfield passes, dangerous freekicks. Holland should be so lucky.....
Actually, you're right, I didn't watch any Brazil games, cause Holland wasn't playing.. But yeah, I won't doubt Rivaldo's playing skills, he's definitely got talent, but that doesn't mean i like to associate any Dutch players with him because of his mentality.
While I do share your disappointment at the lack of a Dutch Team at the WC, I am irritated by you stating that all you remember Rivaldo doing is falling over when you just admitted that you didn't even watch the games.
Makaay is a must-start. I'd prefer PK to partner him up front over JFH. I also wouldn't mind seeing Pierre get a chance. Leave RVN in Manchester. I don't want him causing a problem with the team.
I am thouroughly confused about Dicks choice on Ruud. What the hell is he thinking? Ruud is one of the best in the whole Euro league, Kluivert is good, but....there is something we are not being told. Maybe Kluivert has pictures of Dick doing something dick shouldn't do.
right or wrong, advocaat holds grudges - he had row with seedorf 6 months ago and is just now considering him again oh and personally, i prefer van hooijdonk as a sub
If that is the case and Advocaat is an idiot coach who holds grudges...do the Dutch fans and media know? I cannot see them allowing Advocaat to get away with satisfying his ego while sacrificing a possible entry to Euro2004. Unbelievable. You guys can't actually tell me you would rather have Makaay or VanHooi up front than a focused van Nistel?
RVN "You guys can't actually tell me you would rather have Makaay or VanHooi up front than a focused van Nistel?" Well, since van Nistelrooy has done absolutely nothing in the 30 caps he has for Holland (ok, except for massively important goals against world class opponents like Cyprus, whoopee), I'm more than a bit curious to know when he intends to be focused for Holland. RVN should stop whining, sit on the bench awhile and let his play do his talking when he does play. The pinhead.
Ha Haaaaaa! Well boys! All those telephone calls to The Dick finally paid off! RVN is in!!!!!! He will wreak havoc on the poor Scots.
I can understand some people not being happy with RVN's performances for Holland thus far. However; the abuse being hurled at him from "Holland/Liverpool" and "Holland/Arsenal" supporters is a little over the top. I could care less if Ruud plays a minute or three for Advocaat, personally. Some things to consider though: a) he's been off form lately, no doubt - not as bad as Kluivert who only just this past weekend scored his first goal of the whole La Liga season b) Ruud is still a lethal finisher in front of the goal, and has been doing it the past couple of years against Top European competition As for his goals against Rangers, he definitely looked to be re-invigorated after the first goal, as easy as it may have been bouncing off his knee like that, sometimes that's enough for a striker to get his confidence back, and he looked a different player after the goals went in... Good luck to Holland in the playoff, I saw Scotland handle Germany when they hosted them in the group stages, so be cautious.
Over the Top? RVN has sucked for Holland, there's no argument about that. And he's acted like a brat recently. How is that over the top? As for Scotland handling Germany, well Germany is not very good. Scotland will give Holland a tough series but the Oranje will only lose if they beat themselves. Which, granted, is possible.
Motterman, if RVN could score goals for the Oranje as he does for ManU, neither Liverpool nor Arsenal fans would be complaining. But, the fact is, he hasn't done dick for them.
Nistelrooy should sub In my opinion, RVN should sub in the second half if a starting striker is playing flat. Now that his skills are being questioned, I'm sure he will come out on fire to prove his worth not only to his coach and the dutch fans, but to the world. Everyone knows he has not performed well for the national team, and he will want to show everyone that he can play. All eyes will be on this game and this would be the time for him to prove himself. Again, I don't think RVN should get the start, I think Makaay has shown himself to be a player lately and Kluivert (although not at his peak) has always been solid for Oranje. What is most important for Oranje is team chemistry. This is something we have been lacking at times. There needs to be the best TEAM on the field on saturday, not only the best INDIVIDUALS. **Keep an eye on Rafael van der Vaart, he will no doubt impress.
Re: Nistelrooy should sub Completely agree, but I wonder in that line of thought, whether some of RVN's problems with country can be attributed to the play of those around him. I ask this as a question- having seen him play for Holland only a few times, I wonder if he has been getting the same scoring opportunities (number and quality) as he has the past few years at ManU. Any comments?