Guys, we learned that Christoph Metzelder aggravated his torn achilles tendon and will require a second operation, possibly putting him out for the season. With our injury problems and the club's bad money situation, Do you think we should try to get another defender for cover?? For a long time now, I've been calling for BVB to pick up a central defender with some speed to support Woerns, Madouni and even Metzelder when they are beaten. I didn't worry so much when we had Jens Lehmann back there, but I don't have half the confidence in Roman Weidenfeller that I did in Jens Lehmann. I am of the firm belief that many of BVB's offensive problems are caused by the fact that the midfielders have to hold back to repel a quick counter-attack from our opposition because our defenders just aren't fast enough to get back before we are in real trouble and many times concede bad goals. I don't think we need a "big name" defender. Just a young kid who is fast, sure of himself, can be taught to play different positions and can help to slow counter-attacks. And he also won't mind playing second-string once Metzelder returns. Or, he could eventually replace Woerns on the right side of defense. Being American, I think a good person to get for this job is Cory Gibbs of St. Pauli. He's gone as far as he can at St. Pauli and definitely has the tools to play in the big time. He showed that at this past Gold Cup competition. He did all right against the likes of Robinho, Kaka and current BVB striker Ewerthon. He's fast, strong in the air and can play the wings too. He's also going to be CHEAP!! The major knock against him is that he's another Non-EU player. Do any of you guys know of European defenders who meet that criteria?? I'd love to know who they are. Thanks!!
I don´t think that Dortmund needs another central defender cause they already have enough players on that position and Christoph Metzelder, Ahmed Madouni and Malte Metzelder are not that slow you make them in your post. In the moment the problem is that neither C.Metzelder nor Madouni are abled to play cause of their injuries. That means that the current central defense consists of Woern(31), Bergdolmo(32) and Reuter(36). Sebastian Kehl plays a little bit more offensive, just like Fernandez and Jensen too. The offensive problems Dortmund had before the Hannover game was caused by the problem that Lars Ricken and Billy Reina were not abled to replace Rosicky and Koller as they were supposed to. The performance against Wien was so defensive cause they didn´t have to do more for there offensive game. To Corry Cibbs I can just say: NO, NO, NO. Coory Cibbs still hasn´t proven that he is good enough for the Bundesliga. When he played there with St.Pauli he made too many mistakes leading to goals for the other teams and making some good perfomances in the Regionalliga doesn´t make him attractive for a top club like Dortmund. I think the best clubs that are interested in him are from second league and if Dortmund needs a good Regionalliga defender they just need to take look at their own B-team(currently third.)
for next season we should go for arne friedrich (hertha bsc berlin) or tomas ujfalusi (hamburger sv). but i guess both will cost some money. would only make sense if he plays regularly in center defense and metzelder moves to right-back for example. jonam, schwatzgelb.com
Friedrich/Ufajulsi/Gibbs Manoj, we've discussed this on the list. It looks like Sebi is correct and Friedrich is heading for BayScum in the near future. They want him to replace Linke. As we discussed on the list, Ufajulsi (Possibly badly misspelled) would be a great solution, but how much will he be?? Can we afford him?? I keep pushing Cory Gibbs because I know he'll do a good job, he's cheap, and he'll be a great backup ready to step into a starting role WHEN (I don't think there's an "if" anymore) we lose Christoph Metzelder. I know Sebi talked about the younger Metze, but what has he done?? What promise has he shown?? Gibbs has played 1. Liga, 2. Liga and international football. I just think he's a damned good chance worth taking even if the younger Metze blossoms into a player like his brother. Which, BTW, I don't think he will do. Gibbs won't come in and be a Metzelder or a Lucio or maybe not even a Ufajulsi, but he can help the team whether it be starting or from the bench. He will accept that role and that's the kind of young player we can use. Not one who will come in and just demand a role in the starting lineup. Gibbs would be thankful for the chance to play for a club as big as BVB..........
i'm still not convinced of gibbs. you've seen him more often for sure (national team) but all i can say is that he didn't impressed me when he played with st.pauli in 1.bundesliga. btw, does anyone of the us-americans on this board know Dexter Langen? plays for dynamo dresden. on the dynamo-hp they say he is german but i was told he is american. jonam, schwatzgelb.com
Reply To Soccerfreak#1 Cory Gibbs Comment Manoj, this applies to your last response too. I'm not mad at you two, just frustrated that you guys won't seem to give the same chance to a lesser-known player than you will to players who were next to NOTHING before they joined BVB....... Open your minds. You both might see something new about a player you both obviously only see one side of. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dude, what are you basing your comments on?? I know Gibbs didn't do good in his first 1. BL season. But remember this, he was only in his second season in Germany and he was and still is on a bad St. Pauli team!! Surround the kid with some TALENT and see how he performs!!! Madouni has already shown that even now HE CAN'T LEAD THE BVB defense! Neither could Gibbs, but he is worth a shot at improving himself and our team in the long run. Also, you obviously didn't see Cory Gibbs' performance for the USA in the Gold Cup. Neither Madouni or M. Metzelder have done anything like that, but yet you rate them above someone you obviously don't know the whole story about. He was the ONLY US defender who stood up to the likes of Robinho, Kaka (The current AC Milan player who pushed RIVALDO to the bench and who COMPLEMENTED Gibbs after the match!!) and even our Ewerthon as Brazil pressed to tie that match. They only broke Gibbs and the very little help he had in stoppage time! He only had very little help because Sanneh is injured, Cherundolo stayed with Hannover BL and a few other top US defenders stayed with their MLS clubs. The USA eventually lost in extra time, but we only had the lead as long as we did because Gibbs was pretty much a damned one-man defensive show against the best young strikers in the world!!! There aren't ANY players in the Bundesliga as good as Kaka and Robinho and they had Ewerthon on their side too!!! Gibbs was one of the most solid, if not THE most solid defender in the tourney. If punk ass Carsten Ramelow (I think Ronaldo's first goal in the World Cup Final was Ramelow's fault, not Kahn's!!) and the other German defenders had stood up to the Brazilians like Cory Gibbs did, Germany might have actually won the World Cup!!! You guys seem to not know that players get better with better surroundings. C. Metzelder is the perfect example of that! Christoph Metzelder wasn't the player he is now when he joined us. WE WERE FORCED TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE AND HE GOT BETTER! Remember, we bought him for the AMATEUR TEAM and hoped he would be ready in "a year or two". (If I'm not mistaken, those were Sammer's words when we first bought Metze). You mentioned Madouni. Madouni hadn't done squat this season without Metze back there holding his hand. He looked like crap in the Schalke match. He was crap after that according to some of my listers. He was lost without his buddy Metze. Don't get me wrong. I like Madouni. He will get better. However, you guys sound like players like Madouni can get better and players like Gibbs cannot. Remember, Cory Gibbs is still only 22 or 23. By the way, Metze and Madouni have been fortunate enough to play with and learn from the likes of Juergen Kohler, Stefan Reuter, Joerg Heinrich, Christian Woerns, Dede and Evanilson. The best defender Gibbs has played with at St. Pauli wasn't much better than he was when he first came to Germany. Where the *#*#*#*# was his opportunity to learn??!!! Learn to look at a player's potential, not at how he looks with *#*#*#*#*#*# players around him. If you put Madouni at St. Pauli from the beginning of his career, you would be saying he isn't "good enough" either!! But Madouni came from a decent Montpellier club. If you put Gibbs in with the talent and teachers he would have at BVB, he'd get better too. He's good enough for BVB. He showed that in the Gold Cup. I wouldn't recommend a player if he wasn't good enough! Manoj, YOU DEFINITELY KNOW THAT I PUT WHETHER A PLAYER CAN HELP BVB BEFORE WHAT NATIONALITY HE IS!! EVEN MY OWN!!! "Soccerfreak#1", as far as teams who were interested in Gibbs before this season, they weren't 2. Liga and other Regionalliga teams. Try Kaiserslautern (Decided to buy Lucien Mettomo instead), Rostock (Decided they couldn't afford St. Pauli's price for him) and Wolfsburg (Brought in other Non-EU players) Maybe they saw the Gold Cup. It's obvious to me that you two did not. Or are you more of the Germans who think like Werner Lorant?? Mr. Lorant thinks "Americans can't play this game"... Newsflash, we Americans can play this game. Just ask any member of your national team who played in that match in Japan/South Korea! Cory Gibbs can help BVB. He's acclaimated to the German game, knows the German language, can play in the center or the wing, BVB CAN AFFORD HIM and he won't be impatient enough to cry and make trouble if he doesn't play a lot! That's just what we need!! Christoph Metzelder isn't going to stick around forever. I'm willing to bet he leaves us for either Real Madrid or Juventus after the World Cup. Malte Metzelder hasn't shown anything and even if he does, WHAT'S WRONG WITH HAVING BOTH OF THEM??!!!! I would love to one day have: C. Metzelder, M. Metzelder, Madouni, Demel, Gibbs, Dede and Evanilson rotating as our defense!!! I think players like Woerns, Reuter, Jensen and Bergdolmo will be with us two more years at best!! Oh, and if any of the defenders already on our amateur team were good enough, do you think we would have been forced to buy a THIRD-TEAM AJAX DEFENDER??!!!! That's what Bergdolmo is and he'll give us two more years at best. Again, learn to look at the potential. Learn to look at the big picture. Cory Gibbs is worth taking a chance on. Especially if we cannot get a Friedrich or a Ufaljusi...........
Corry Gibbs plays as a midfielder this season and if there is any position where dortmund doesn´t need a new player it is the defensive midfield. And he didn´t just play bad for Pauli because his teammates were bad, but cause he played crap, Stanislawski was the one that had to keep their defense together. He made too many unnecessary fouls and some of these lead to a pk. Performing good in the NT doesn´t count at all (in between: Sanneh is also crap, he was hiped after the WC but then played an awfull season with Nuernberg), cause that is a special situation. Kaka and Robinho are absolutely not comparable to Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo, or Makkay, Klose, Kuranyi, Romeo, Pizarro, Ailton, Max..... Have you ever seen the Copa Libertadoris? There you could see that Robinho is not solid enough to play in important games. And wait, who was the deciding player of the Gold Cup semifinal??? Right EWERTHON! Where was Gibbs when he came into the game? If Gibbs would play again more experienced players he would do the same mistakes again, his one on one abilities are not good enough. Beside:You have to show your class in your regular team to earn respect. Gibbs is also 9 month older that Madouni. Malte Metzelder made three games for Dortmund B-team and they only conceded 2 goals with him in their team!!! He also was starter for 2 years at muenster and he is still just 21 years old. Even his brother said that Malte is the more talented of the two. They bought Bergdolmo cause he is experienced in European Cup competitions, Gibbs not!!!!! Andre is also very flexible. He can play as a left back, right back or as a central defender. To Ujfalusi I can only say: overrated!!! I think he is too stupid for this game, just like the most of his teammates in Hamburg(Barbarez....) The only defender i would like Dortmund to buy is Andrea Hinkel, cause than we could get rid of Evanilson, who is now 28!!!, still not a constant player and makes too many mistakes. Hinkel would be perfect for us.
i don't know gibbs very well so i can't jugde his actual performances. what i can say is that he didn't impressed me very much back in his bundesliga days. ujfalusi overrated? he shines for czechia (against netherlands and also in stade de france were he made a clown out of henry). hinkel i would llike to see in blackyellow. the question is: is he willing to leave stuttgart? and what other clubs are in for hinkel (schlacke is definitely.
Hinkel/Gibbs/Ufalujsi/M. Metze Hinkel: We all agree on him. I'd like him before anyone else we can realistically get for our defense. I've read that Scheisse 04 are already pursuing him. Gibbs: Gibbs was the one who brought down Ewerthon for the penalty. Another thing. Ewerthon came into that match FRESH AND RESTED in the FREAKIN' 89TH MINUTE!! Gibbs had already been battling Kaka and Robinho for those 89 minutes. WHAT DEFENDER DO YOU KNOW WHO WOULDN'T BE TIRED THEN?? TELL ME! WHO??!! And, it doesn't freakin' matter where Gibbs is playing now. His position is DEFENSE. St. Pauli has a severe lack of talent and Gibbs is playing where he has to to try helping his team!! What's wrong with that??!! I actually think it says a lot for him that they thought enough of him to try him in defensive midfield!! Just imagine someone like that being taught by Stefan Reuter!!! Ufalujsi: No way in hell is he overrated. He's no Lucio, but he isn't overrated either. He needs help. Just like any defender does. And at HSV right now, he doesn't have that help!! M. Metzelder: Wow. Metzelder played two matches in the Regionalliga and they only conceded two goals!! WOW!! He's ready for the Bundesliga right now!! He's better than ANYONE who plays in the 2. Liga!! WOW!! WHAT A GREAT PLAYER!! GET A CLUE MAN!! Conor Casey scored goals by the basket on our amateur team too, you don't see me calling for BVB to put him on the team and he's another American!! My man is Emmanuel Krontiris. He scored a butload of goals for the amateurs too and he isn't getting his chance!! WHY??!! BTW, BVB declined to buy M. Metzelder before last season. Why?? He wasn't good enough!!!! They are TAKING A CHANCE on him right now!! If he doesn't work out, they haven't lost anything, have they?? That's all I was asking for them to do with Gibbs too. Just imagine if they were both to work out. Again, CMetz isn't going to stay forever. He's going to leave after '06. You can bet your house on that. Who's going to replace him?? Why not have six good, young, defenders?? BayScum overloads because they want to win EVERYTHING! Why can't BVB do the same??!!
Re: Hinkel/Gibbs/Ufalujsi/M. Metze That´s exactly what makes the difference, to play with your brain and not only with your legs, between good enough for Rostock and good enough for dortmund!! Man we are no "we have to try to get 40 points"-team, we want to become No.1!!!!!!!!! He just ain`t good enough!! You mean the same way as Kehl, Madouni, Demel and the Metzelder brothers????? You still don´t seem to have checked it, but Gibbs is OLDER than those five!!!!!!!!!!!!! Casey was on loan with Hannover and didn´t managed there to play in their last year first league campaign, so he didn´t deserved to play for a better team than Karlsruhe! Emu is on loan with Aachen and I´m sure he will be playing Bundesliga next year, maybe not with Dortmund, but with some other side. He was just to good for Regionalliga, but he is still just 19 and needs more experience as a starting striker. In Dortmund he just would have been striker No.4 behind Marcio, Jan and Ewa, so it`s the best way they do it right now. M.Metzelder 21, Corry Gibbs 23, in january 24. You see the difference?
Continuing On Gibbs..... Originally posted by footyfan1 - Hinkel: We all agree on him. I'd like him before anyone else we can realistically get for our defense. I've read that Scheisse 04 are already pursuing him. Gibbs: Gibbs was the one who brought down Ewerthon for the penalty. Another thing. Ewerthon came into that match FRESH AND RESTED in the FREAKIN' 89TH MINUTE!! Gibbs had already been battling Kaka and Robinho for those 89 minutes. WHAT DEFENDER DO YOU KNOW WHO WOULDN'T BE TIRED THEN?? TELL ME! WHO??!! Soccerfreak#1: That´s exactly what makes the difference, to play with your brain and not only with your legs, between good enough for Rostock and good enough for dortmund!! Man we are no "we have to try to get 40 points"-team, we want to become No.1!!!!!!!!! He just ain`t good enough!! FootyFan1 Response: Dude. Get real. When you have the attackers coming in and very little help, you do what you have to do. NOTHING YOU CAN DO IN YOUR HEAD MAKES UP FOR THE EFFORT YOU HAVE TO PUT OUT ON THE PITCH!!! If you had seen how this one man stood up to the best young players in the world, your mind would be changed. Then again, maybe it wouldn't be. For one to change his mind, his mind first has to be OPEN! You seem to not be reading one thing. NOWHERE do I say that Gibbs is ready to start for BVB NOW! NOWHERE do I say that he's BETTER than anyone we have now. The only one I'd venture to say that about is M. Metzelder. All I said is that Gibbs, given the OPPORTUNITY to learn in the same mode as our current guys, can be just as good as them and in some cases BETTER. BUT ONLY WITH THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN THAT OUR CURRENT GUYS HAVE! Isn't it about finding all the talent that you can?? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Original Quote From Footyfan1: And, it doesn't freakin' matter where Gibbs is playing now. His position is DEFENSE. St. Pauli has a severe lack of talent and Gibbs is playing where he has to to try helping his team!! What's wrong with that??!! I actually think it says a lot for him that they thought enough of him to try him in defensive midfield!! Just imagine someone like that being taught by Stefan Reuter!!! Soccerfreak#1: You mean the same way as Kehl, Madouni, Demel and the Metzelder brothers????? You still don´t seem to have checked it, but Gibbs is OLDER than those five!!!!!!!!!!!!! Footyfan1 Response: OH BOY!! YOU REALLY DO NEED TO BUY A CLUE!! Yes, Gibbs is older than those five. Dude, if you were on my BVB mailing list, you would know how much I HATE that "he's too old" argument. I hate hearing it when a player is 27. You are bringing it to me with a guy who is only 23 (24 in three months). Let's go down to the list and let all see how DUMB this argument is...... For the record: Cory Gibbs is "too old" at 23 if you listen to Soccerfreak#1. His birthdate is January 14, 1980. The list: Cory Gibbs is a bit less than nine months older than C. Metzelder (November 5, 1980). WOW!! GIBBS IS A REAL OLD GUY!! And again, I'm willing to bet money that CMetz (My name for him) will leave after the 2006 season. he's going to extend until 2007 to make sure BVB gets maximimum money for him when he does leave. Everyone seems to know this but you. What do we do to replace him?? Gibbs is just an option. A cheap option. The problem is, we need to get him in our club to get him to that level. HE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL. He just won't do it at St. Pauli!!! Cory Gibbs is about 29 days older than Sebastian Kehl (February 13, 1980). WOW!! GIBBS IS A REAL OLD GUY!!! Kehl, I think will do us better when we establish one position he's going to play. I actually think he can play where Frings is and Frings can move to the middle to help cover (along with Ricken) when Rosicky is sold. And you can bet that with his little attitude lately, sometime in the near future, Rosicky will be sold. I'd rather have a guy like Gibbs covering in central defense instead of Kehl due to speed alone. Or, I guess you are going to tell me that Kehl is just as fast as Cory Gibbs?? If there's one thing against Kehl that EVERYONE agrees on it's that he's one of the SLOWEST players we have!! However, Kehl makes up for that with his intelligence. This is why I'd play Kehl in defensive midfield in front of the defense. Almost like Sammer in his playing days. A guy like Gibbs, in the future, would be valuable in backing up Kehl. Oh yes. I forgot. Gibbs is too old for us now. Cory Gibbs is a bit less than 9 months older than Ahmed Madouni (October 4, 1980). WOW!! GIBBS IS A REAL OLD GUY!!! Madouni, in a way, actually reminds me of Gibbs. Only Madouni is not as fast and Madouni is tougher on the ball than Gibbs. Madouni has also showed this season, that he cannot be "The Man" in the center of defense. Again, he looked lost out there without CMetz back there to hold his hand. But, like the next guy I'm going to mention, Madouni is getting better with the level of TEACHING AND EXPERIENCE HE'S GETTING AT BVB!!! There's no way in hell a guy like Gibbs can get the same at St. Pauli!! The question isn't and shouldn't be "Is he good enough?", the question should be "CAN HE BE GOOD ENOUGH?" and "How long, with the proper teaching and experience will it take him to get there?"! Cory Gibbs is about a year and four months older than the 22 year-old Guy Demel (June 13, 1981). Yes, I'm going to say it again, WOW, GIBBS IS A REALLY OLD GUY!!! I'm a big Guy Demel supporter. Anyone who's been on my list either before or since we got Demel and Madouni can tell you this. As a matter of fact, when we got them both Christian Woerns couldn't believe how good Demel was. But, he lost something and he's just starting to find it again. I'm actually hoping Demel can succeed Woerns. However, there's no guarantee he'll make it. Why not have some cover JUST IN CASE?? Cory Gibbs is two years, four months and five days older than the 20 year-old Malte Metzelder (or MMetz as I'll choose to call him). I won't go with the "WOW" again because I think that point has been made. I hope the above lets all know how dumb this "Gibbs is older than the others" crap truly is. Now, I, too, am hoping MMetz will be as good as and eventually replace his brother, CMetz, who again, I'm almost ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN will be leaving after the 2006 season. But what if MMetz doesn't "get there"?? What if Demel doesn't "get there"?? Madouni isn't "there" yet, what if he never gets there?? Now, again, here is why I think Cory Gibbs can be considered to help in the future. Remember how certain we were about Vladi But, Ibrahim Tanko and Christian Timm?? How much are those guys helping us now?? Oh, but when they were a bit younger than the players you mention now we were certain these three, along with Lars Ricken were the "future of Borussia Dortmund". I just feel that when it comes to a player the likes of Cory Gibbs, the question isn't and shouldn't be "Is he good enough now?", the question should be "CAN HE BE GOOD ENOUGH?" and "How long, with the proper teaching and experience will it take him to get there?"! Cory Gibbs showed during the entire Gold Cup tourney that he's ready to move up another level and possibly two. He just needs the chance to move to a club where he isn't just "thrown in" and made to fend for himself with little or no help. Don't forget, we got Madouni, Demel, MMetz, AND CMetz, none of them were "good enough" for BVB at the time!! MMetz and Demel still aren't!! He'll be learning on the amateur team once we get some players back. The three players outside of MMetz are still being taught and brought up to "Good enough for BVB" level. Madouni just happens to be closer to that level than the other two, but even he isn't "there" yet!!! With the teaching and experience these guys are getting at BVB, these guys are progressing well. To say that a player such as Gibbs isn't "as good" or "not good enough" because he isn't making the same progression at a CRAP CLUB such as St. Pauli isn't only unfair, it's silly! There's no way in hell a guy like Gibbs can get the same teaching and experience at St. Pauli!! That doesn't mean he has any less potential than the others we already have. This is why I asked if you dismiss him simply because he's American......... I don't think you do and I hope not, but I have to ask because everything I just typed above should make sense if you are reading it with an open mind. And again, I'm not saying we should rush out and buy Cory Gibbs. I think we should CONSIDER a guy like him. He's STILL YOUNG, despite Soccerfreak#1's claims to the contrary and already has experience at ALL of the defensive positions. I only found out when Soccerfreak mentioned it that Gibbs is now playing defensive midfield. I wouldn't want him for that. I would only want him to be a part of a young, strong, BVB defensive team. And don't think I've forgotten about a player like Florian Kringe. I think we'll be bringing him back, but he'll be in defensive midfield. You can't always assume the young players you have are going to work out. Today, if we had a nice stable of young defensive players, we wouldn't be bringing in third-string players from Ajax simply because they have European experience. And just how much did that experience help against Club Brugge?? This isn't so much about Gibbs as it is about bringing in young defenders for the future. Hell, if we could afford him, I'd want Robert Huth from Chelsea! I wish we had moved for Tobias Rau before BayScum did. We agree on trying to get Andreas Hinkel. You can't always look at players who are "Bundesliga Ready". Especially with the money we've wasted on transfers over the years (Ikpeba, Bobic, Oliseh etc). Get young players with potential and BUILD THEM!! Want the perfect example?? VFB STUTTGART!!!! That's a problem we have. We get young players, but we aren't BUILDING THEM!! We seem to think they will develop on their own. Then, when they don't, we either "loan them out" or sell them!! That's stupid. We need to train these players and give them a real chance. Timm never got a real chance. Neither has Krontiris. I understand that we have to stay competitive in UEFA, but we also have to do it without spending 10, 15, 20 million at a time. A player like Gibbs can be had for a few hundred thousand. A player like Gibbs is worth that gamble. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Footyfan1 Original Comments: M. Metzelder: Wow. Metzelder played two matches in the Regionalliga and they only conceded two goals!! WOW!! He's ready for the Bundesliga right now!! He's better than ANYONE who plays in the 2. Liga!! WOW!! WHAT A GREAT PLAYER!! GET A CLUE MAN!! Conor Casey scored goals by the basket on our amateur team too, you don't see me calling for BVB to put him on the team and he's another American!! My man is Emmanuel Krontiris. He scored a butload of goals for the amateurs too and he isn't getting his chance!! WHY??!! Soccerfreak#1: Casey was on loan with Hannover and didn´t managed there to play in their last year first league campaign, so he didn´t deserved to play for a better team than Karlsruhe! Footyfan1 Response: You leave out quite a bit there. #1, Casey scored some important goals for H96 in their promotion season!! After he got hurt, was when his downturn started. Dude, I used to write an "Americans Abroad" column. I know what Conor Casey was doing. Last season, HE WAS in Rangnick's plans. He got hurt near the start of the season and not long after that, WE GAVE H96 Fredi Bobic!!! THAT'S WHY CASEY DIDN'T BREAK H96's lineup last season!! No, he isn't good enough to start for us yet. He may never get there. I was just using him as an example of a player on the amateur team who did score goals and do well and NEVER GOT A CHANCE. That was since you insuinated that MMetz was GOOD ENOUGH because he played TWO REGIONALLIGA matches and they only gave up two goals. SO WHAT??!! Anyone can argue they would have done that with or without him! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SoccerFreak#1 Comments: Emu is on loan with Aachen and I´m sure he will be playing Bundesliga next year, maybe not with Dortmund, but with some other side. He was just to good for Regionalliga, but he is still just 19 and needs more experience as a starting striker. In Dortmund he just would have been striker No.4 behind Marcio, Jan and Ewa, so it`s the best way they do it right now. Footyfan1 Response: That, we actually agree on!! However, again, my Krontiris remarks were in response to your insuination that since MMetz played two games with the Regionalliga side and they gave up only two goals, that he was already "good enough" for the BL side............ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Footyfan1 Original Comments: BTW, BVB declined to buy M. Metzelder before last season. Why?? He wasn't good enough!!!! They are TAKING A CHANCE on him right now!! If he doesn't work out, they haven't lost anything, have they?? That's all I was asking for them to do with Gibbs too. Soccerfreak#1 Comments: M.Metzelder 21, Corry Gibbs 23, in january 24. You see the difference? Footyfan1 Response: I saw how dumb that comparison was..... At these ages two years doesn't make one bit of difference!!
the saga continues! Man, do you really want me to respone on this post, it´s gettin a little complicated now, but I still say that Gibbs is not good enough for Dortmund. You even say it by your own, dude! You said that the only player Gibbs COULD be better than is M.Metzelder and as you hopefully agree, the difference of their ages is over two years and if you think these two years wouldn´t be important in a young players development I say: Yes your right, they are not important, but DECIDING!!! What about Friedrich, Ernst and Kluge??? They made their deciding step forward in the age of 22 or 23. So Gibbs is two years behind the development he would have needed to be ready for a move to a big club, thats why I say he´s to old! He´s not at the same level as Demel, Madouni...., and it´s not that he is older, more important: He is not younger! And PLEASE stop that teaching stuff, it gets annoying. The first step has to come by the player himself. And maybe you didn´t realiced it, but the trend is to makes your team smaller and the transfers of Bergdolmo(he will probably away next year) and Conceicao(He is worth his money, when he fit again) was already a step to far in the wrong way. Dortmund has now 3 perspective players(Malte, David and Sahr) practicing with them, they don´t need Corry. And your money point: I don´t think that Corry would be willing to get the same low money as Malte and would also accept the risk to end in Dortmund B-team.
Let's Not Waste The Space Anymore This got out of hand pretty quickly. But, I made the points I wanted to. We aren't going to agree no matter what on that thread. I do know this. We won't suffer a great loss by not getting him. Only thing I wanted to say is that he should be considered and I pointed out why. All you seemed to yell is "He isn't good enough". Well, neither were any of the young people we have now when we got them. You also seem to think he's past the learning stage. He isn't and he won't need years, he'll need MONTHS or WEEKS. If he catches on with another club who can bring him along and not press him, he'll be as good as what we have, if not better. But we won't know unless that happens will we?? I'm done with this one if you are. I'm tired of repeating myself. It takes an open mind to consider another side of a story. It's obvious you don't have that. I was warned about that. I'm sorry I wasted so much space here replying. See you on another thread.