All Real Crime in North Carolina Ended!

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by MasterShake29, Sep 11, 2007.

  1. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    That's assinine. That means that there would only be 2 laws on the books. Murder and rape cant be "ended"
     
  2. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
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    Libertarians want this too.

    I can't speak for anyone but myself, but...
    I don't have so much of a problem with gambling. I do have a problem with unregulated gambling. Too much opportunity for abuse.

    I have no problem with people getting rich. I do have a problem with people unfairly exploiting the work of others to get rich. I also believe that people who benefit the most from government services should be paying the most. Wealthy people clearly gain the most from how our society is set up (eg, a workforce just barely educated enough to run the registers, but not educated enough to realize they deserve to be paid a living wage for 40 hours of work a week, gov't roads to ship their goods over, etc etc); they should pay the most in taxes.

    Only when that behavior infringes on other people.
     
  3. Yankee_Blue

    Yankee_Blue New Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    New Orleans area
    It was a modification of a quoted post. Obviously murder and rape cant be ended. I just see no point in the hot pursuit of "criminals" with no victim, ie Prostitution, gambling, etc...


    And the word is asinine...
     
  4. Matt in the Hat

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    Sorry. And I agree with you. But this is a legislative matter, not an executive one.
     
  5. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    He used a capital L. I took that literally.
     
  6. argentine soccer fan

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    Shit, I'm going to start locking my door.
     
  7. YankHibee

    YankHibee Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
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    This sounds like an illegal casino operation more than a home game. I have nothing wrong with gambling, but large scale gambling without regulation is a recipe for disaster.
     
  8. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    It is not the behavior which is aberrant. It is the regulation which is aberrant.
     
  9. Yankee_Blue

    Yankee_Blue New Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    New Orleans area
    My mistake. Shoulda been a lowercase "l"...
     
  10. John Galt

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    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    Why aren't all the states-righters hopping mad that these dopes didn't exercise their right to travel to Nevada or Atlantic City if they wanted to engage in large scale gambling?
     
  11. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

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    I would, and I also recognize that some people like remaining employed, and that the two may sometimes conflict.
     
  12. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
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    How many people are permitted before it's too many? How far is it ok to travel before it's not permitted? Is it crossing a state border that's a problem?

    Must an industry be regulated by government in order for fraud to be possible?

    It might be people I know, and if not I'll ask friends, research on the Internet, etc. And if I can't tell, I don't go.

    Never said that.

    Let's say I host a poker game. How many people can I invite? Should I be allowed to charge rake and/or an entry fee?
     
  13. Matt in the Hat

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    Then you basically don't believe in constitutional democracy. Sorry to hear that.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Because their states-rights stance is just a facade hiding their sophomoric pro-anarchy philosophy.
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    I dunno. What is the law in your state?
     
  16. Matt in the Hat

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    Not exactly. Your state has every right to have stupid laws and we have every right to rag on them. Like South Carolina and that mini bottle thing.

    What's the deal with that mini bottle thing?
     
  17. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

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    How do you draw that conclusion from that line?

    All I said was that sometimes in your job (and it doesn't have to be just a government job) you are faced with a moral dilemma, and you may have to choose between what you believe is right and remaining employed.
     
  18. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

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    I don't know. "Poker" is not mentioned in the New Jersey statutes, except to state that it is legal to have poker dealers be tipped directly, as opposed to other dealers, who must pool their tips.

    So I guess it's whatever the police and courts decide it is.
     
  19. JeremyEritrea

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    Libertarians are crazy
     
  20. Foosinho

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    They are qualitative judgments. I guarantee you some (most?) of the cops involved in the bust play cards. Maybe even at the station.

    If you were to ask me, if you've got more than one table, you're entering a grey area. If you've got buy-ins above 0.1% of a player's annual salary, you're definitely entering a grey area. If you have people traveling very long distances just to participate, you're definitely entering a grey area. If you are holding the game far away from a city to attempt to make it low profile, you are most certainly in a grey area. If you've got all of those factors laid on top of each other, "hello cops"!

    You keep insisting this was a "home game". If this was a "home game", then playing in a casino in Vegas is a home game (unless you do have some kind of line, which your use of the phrase "home game" indicates). I presume then that you think casinos should be to rig their games at will (provided the players don't notice)?
     
  21. Matt in the Hat

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    It seems to me that what you are saying is that in your ideal police force a cop should be able to pick and choose which laws he wishes to enforce. That is a slap in the face to the other branches of government who are empowered to make laws, both stupid and smart. This is one step further towards anarchy and disorder than I can follow.

    If a law is unjust, there is a remedy for that. In fact there are many remedies for that. But having a police officer pick and choose is not one of them in an orderly society. And once that part breaks, the whole thing crumbles.
     
  22. John Galt

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    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    While I think you are focusing on abuse examples of choosing not to enforce laws and I would agree there, it should be noted that the concept of exercising discretion in law enforcement is both a practical necessity and a really good idea. One of the reasons this particular argument is so silly is because the arguer can't grasp the idea that police could simply elect not use their resources to bust up illegal gambling of the "home game" type while still make good use of their resources to bust up illegal gambling of the repeat offender, multi-state, high stakes, cocaine-weapons-and money-laundering type, even if technically they both violate the same law. The standard they would use would be common sense in law enforcement.
     
  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/poker-standout-rips-cops-after-bust/20070911162409990001

    Libertarian who hates states rights, or whiny entitled bitch?
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

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  25. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    Gambling may seem like an innoculous pastime that hurts nobody. But that has not been the case in the past.

    Let's say there's a 20 person, $100,000 poker tournament in a McMansion somewhere in the burbs. Well, in the past, there have been many instances of criminals thinking "hey, we got some guns, they got lotsa cash, I think we should stop by and re-distribute the wealth".

    It has happened, and it ain't good for property values. Especially if everyone shows up armed to the game, and shots are fired. The neighbors might be like "hey, I didn't pay $400k for a house next door and have stray bullets hit my wife and kids"

    So maybe the neighbors get together and pass an ordinance prohibiting gambling in their town, so such things don't happen. Or a state legislature says "hey, gambling is only OK if you are doing it in an approved facility sited away from a local school, not far from a police station"

    Why do you think the mafia has its hands in gambling? Knock off a casino paying some individuals for protection, and Bruno gives you some concrete shoes.

    Its a risky industry.

    So isn't that a completely valid concern of locals, and ergo, reasonable laws? Locals are judging the safety of the community above some individual freedoms.

    Isn't that legit?
     

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