World Cup 2014 Other Teams Thread

Discussion in 'Portugal: National Teams' started by ---Z---, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. raviept

    raviept Member

    Jun 11, 2010
    Braga
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    That's going from 80 to 8, no? We had a bad WC. Everyone but Germany had one in the last 10 years. Unless you expect a huge decline in the next years, we still have some of the best clubs outside the big leagues and decent academies. Regardless, if there exist problems with our youth system, then we can only think about solving them. I was neither too confident before the WC nor am I that defeatist now. Germany is the perfect example of how to go from decadence in 2000 to being the best in 2014.
     
  2. J.P.

    J.P. Member

    Oct 31, 2012
    Club:
    FC Porto
    This is what happens when your federation focuses on the success of the national team rather than the league.

    You build up your own talent and look what happens. Not only is their national team great, but the league has over taken the EPL.

    All the FPF care about is Benfica, Porto, and Sporting, and marketing Cristiano.

    To me, if a foreign player cap and more money pumped into the academy system slightly hinders Porto/Benfica's ability to compete in the UCL, so be it. It'll create a stronger league and Seleção.

    But alas, only PDC and Benfica have power in Portuguese soccer.

    Benfica (finally) and Sporting are focusing/trusting their Portuguese talent, and even still my Puerto will win the league. I won't complain when/if we do, but it's frustrating to an extent. It's embarrassing that our coaching speech's and directions are probably done in Spanish.
     
  3. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    We just have to hope that our upcoming generation of players pan out

    we can't expect FPF to make a plan, we know it isn't gonna happen.
     
  4. RedBullSeven

    RedBullSeven Member+

    Apr 28, 2012
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Angry white men? I guess you don't consider people of Mediterranean stock to be white. That is fine though, because I don't want to be classified in the same group of American red necks from the south of U.S.A.

    Anyway, back on topic, we should humbly admit our mistakes and learn from it and learn from the success of Germany. However, we should not put ourselves beneath anyone. Portuguese needs to get rid of that pessimistic, beta attitude first. So don't see Germany as a unbeatable team.
     
  5. raviept

    raviept Member

    Jun 11, 2010
    Braga
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    On the contrary, they lost 4 tournaments in a row, and one was a WC at home. The lesson to take from them is that you must persevere. Netherlands was terrible in 2012. Look at them now.
     
  6. J.P.

    J.P. Member

    Oct 31, 2012
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Completed passes this tournament

    Manuel Neuer: 244
    Lionel Messi: 242
     
  7. J.P.

    J.P. Member

    Oct 31, 2012
    Club:
    FC Porto
  8. doritos93

    doritos93 Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Montreal - Europe
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    So who should have won it? Mueller?

    If Mueller, then give it to the whole German squad too
     
  9. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    Robben or James Rodríguez.
     
  10. doritos93

    doritos93 Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Montreal - Europe
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Robben if he spent less time flailing would be one for me.

    James. What a stud

    I mean a case could also be made for Neymar. He carries Brazil until he gets his back broken Bane-Batman style and then suddenly Brazil collapses inwardly.
     
  11. J.P.

    J.P. Member

    Oct 31, 2012
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Apparently a reporter called Gotze the German Messi. He responded "no, I want to be the Cristiano Ronaldo of Germany."

    It's on twitter, but you never know if these things are true.
     
  12. dipluso

    dipluso Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    CT
    James Rodriguez of course should have won.

    Anyway, has anybody mentioned Mourinho's analysis of the game? I think he's spot on:

    http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=489209
    "Passando ao ataque, Mourinho questionou a opção tática do selecionador argentino, Alejandro Sabella, quando este decidiu colocar Sergio Aguero para o lugar de Ezequiel Lavezzi, ao intervalo.

    «Gostaria de saber porque Lavezzi ficou no balneário ao intervalo. A Argentina estava a jogar com duas linhas de quatro jogadores, com Enzo Pérez a marcar Phillipp Lahm, e Lavezzi a fazer o mesmo do outro lado. Uma vez que estavam tão compactos, Messi não tinha de correr quando defendia, e assim, quando tinha a bola, tinha a energia para fazer a diferença. Quando Sabella colocou Aguero em campo, a Argentina passou de um 4-4-2 para um 4-3-3, perdendo muito equilíbrio. Messi teve de correr muito mais depois da saída de Lavezzi. A equipa perdeu energia – a energia de que precisava no prolongamento», explicou. "

    Argentina lost the MF after that sub and Argentina lost the edge they had shown in the 1st half. Messi in particular almost completely disappeared. If he wanted Aguero in the game he should have done a straight swap for Higuain who was clearly overwhelmed by the situation and crapped his pants.
     
  13. raviept

    raviept Member

    Jun 11, 2010
    Braga
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I would vote for James as well. I understand Mourinho's critics, but it's true that Aguero's entrance worked for a while. He wanted to solve the match before ET. And they had chances to do so.
     
  14. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    This is the area where I think LFV is trumping PDC. Porto and Benfica's models of buying and selling foreign talent isn't sustainable and Benfica know this. There is simply way too much variance and risk involved. There' a reason Benfica got to the UEFA Youth League final. I expect them to be contributing heavily to the NT in a few years time.
     
  15. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    talk about sitting the bar low

    Goetze scored in the final to give his country the cup

    Ronaldo….?


    well it is a team game more than anything.
     
  16. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    PDC is finished

    right now

    BDC (doing more with less) > LFV > PDC

    if the Porto Spanish project fails this season, they will be in big trouble… they are going "all in" this year and hoping that things work out and they win the league again or at the very least qualify directly for CL.
     
  17. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Told you.
     
  18. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I'm not denying that. Had Ronaldo played his first 2 games the way he did vs Ghana then we would have been out of the group. But his first two games looked much like what Messi did vs Netherlands...pedestrian. Cahill's problem is the team around him is not good enough, but he played his heart out as did all of the Aussies.

    Messi has zero excuses. He walked/stood around 95% of the time in every game. I don't care how much rabbits out of a hat you can pull late vs minnows that is not a performer deserving of any accolade. Even Maradona said he didn't deserve the award.

    Robben, Mueller, James, Neuer deserved the award. Di Maria had he played in the latter games would have deserved the mention over him as well.
     
  19. eurodad

    eurodad Member+

    Mar 15, 2005
    Brampton
    Germany and Spain NTs shows how much of an advantage it is to have players that play on the same team play for your NT. Portugal will allways be at a disadvantage because as soon as our young players start playing well, they get sold.
     
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  20. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Or the team sells all their players (2004 Porto)
     
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  21. Joao Bibliotecario

    Jun 24, 2014
    Brooklyn, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Messi had some dangerous chances but his fans are looking pretty silly right now - the gap between their praise and what he did is embarrassing.
     
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  22. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    To note about 9 guys on the German squad were part of their U17,U19,U21 teams that won their respective Euro's in 2008 and 2009.

    So we botched the U17 this year in a Semi final we dominated now we have the U19 starting in a few days and our U21 are going into the playoff round.

    I think we can rest easy and know we won't go anywhere in the next 4 years if these other 2 sides crumble like our U17's
     
  23. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    An example that can only be replicated in a handful of countries and unfortunately, Portugal is not one of them. Their system consisted of creating a national program that all clubs follow. The approach towards youth would be no different at Bayern Munich or Hoffenheim. Simultaneously, each academy was to provide their academy players with education that met high requirements, unlike most academies around the world tend to do. They made the priority of "school first, then football". So not only were they breeding great athletes, they were breeding well-educated men. The two tend to go together very well, as we've been able to directly see.

    No teams in Portugal aside from the Big 3/Braga could ever afford a system like this. Each German club pays a significant amount of money to keep the system in place, as it logically would require. Portugal is not wealthy enough to compete with these other countries. It's a sad reality but one that can hopefully help manage expectations next time around. As time goes on, the countries that DO have the financial means to copy this system, will, ensuring that the usual suspects will continue to win tournaments. I see Germany winning a few more titles in the near future.
     
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  24. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Exactly

    Germany bought this WC, spending over a billion
    its not even an accomplishment. in fact they should be ashamed it took them this long to win it.

    It will be a very long time before Argentina or even Brazil win the WC again with things going like this, as for us.. better not even go there. I am afraid the memory of Zagorakis lifting the European cup in Lisbon on July 4th, 2004 is a day that will haunt us all until our deaths.

    France and maybe Spain are the only teams who can probably win in the future other than Germany in Europe. Especially since France is hosting Euro 2016. I am not even sure about the future of Italy, they seem to be falling behind and they don't have a national training regime nor do they seem to be investing in youth.
     
  25. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    and the golden generation won 2 U20 WCs and didn't win anything.

    winning at youth level doesn't always translate into success. Messi , Di Maria, and others won the U20 but haven't won yet either.

    the most important is producing talented players at a young age, and giving them the foundations necessary for a successful career.
     

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