Who isn't going to make the playoffs in the East...and why?

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by FlashMan, Sep 11, 2003.

  1. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to have to think about this one myself, before I cast a vote. New England seems like the likely choice, but we all know what they did down the stretch last year, so maybe it's not that simple.


    I realize my "editorial comments" to the poll are confusing. Haven't had my coffee yet. The poll is about who IS NOT going to make it, not who will.

    My bad.
     
  2. fluidsoccer

    fluidsoccer New Member

    Jun 4, 2003
    Chicago
    Good poll, you beat me to it.

    I'm going to have to say DC United. Although they have looked (at times) like a much better team this year than other years when they have missed the playoffs, I just think that Ray Hudson's MLS career is meant to end soon; and missing the playoffs for the third consecutive year will seal the deal.

    I think (and hope, since I like the Crew) that the Buddle-led Crew are finally getting back to the April cohesion we enjoyed several months back.

    That leaves New England. Hell, these guys could miss the playoffs just as easy as DC, it all depends on who plays the best down the stretch. What needs to be taken into consideration is that DC got 6 of their points in a recent home-away series with a struggling New Enlgand (remember "the comeback?") If those teams meet up for that series in a different part of the season, DC doesn't get away with those six points and DC takes New England's place in the cellar. But I could "if-that-but" all day long.

    It all depends on who gets/stays hot. Columbus (knock on wood) seems to be coming around. Who's it going to be, DC or NE?
     
  3. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Columbus (4th place; 2 pts up of Revs) has 4 out of 7 on the road remaining, one each against division foes. Three points from this weekend's home Burn game is a must for the Crew.

    DC (3rd place; 4 pts up on Revs, 2 up on Crew) has a game in hand, and 4 out of 8 at home. Last game at home versus a fading KC (who knows how they'll be playing then). Could easily come down to that, and you'd have to favor them in that matchup. But next two games are SJ at home and LA on the road; probably need a point or two at least from those games to keep apace.

    NE (last place) with 4 of 7 at home, and a game on the road at Dallas. 3 points v. the Crew at home on 9/28 would seemingy be a must. Two games away to Metros will be extremely tough, especially this weekend w/o Twellman.

    In summary:

    DC, 4 points up with a game in hand, a huge plus.
    Crew must get 3 points this weekend v. Burn, and then scrape for points with 4 of next 5 on road.
    NE has to hold serve at home with 4 out of remaining 7 at home, with key game v. Crew at home on 9/28.
     
  4. crestuden

    crestuden New Member

    Apr 5, 2001
    DC United has that magic for missing the playoffs. The Crew are finally healthy so they should make move up the standings. With the Crew, Fire, and Metros almost locks for the playoffs the leaves it down to the Revolution and United. I have more faith in the Revs ability to get a point than I do in United finishing the season strong. So DC United will miss the playoffs for the 4th straight year.
     
  5. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Subjectively speaking, I think you are wrong about DC. I think the team looks to finish strong.
    Objectively speaking--while I agree that they are back on track and a team to be respected if not feared, I would think twice before calling the Crew (or anybody but the Fire, who seem to be pretty cozy) a 'lock' in this four-way dogfight. The standings are too close.
     
  6. fluidsoccer

    fluidsoccer New Member

    Jun 4, 2003
    Chicago
    What if The Crew lose to Dallas?

    Have you guys noticed how much press The Crew are getting? I'm afraid of the ol' jinx making an entrance. "Oh, we'll get three points from Dallas..." Heads up. I mean, losing to Dallas at home will certainly halt any momentum whatsoever.

    In April The Crew were on the short list to win it all, and we all know what happened after all of the exposure. Plus, teams I like usually have a heartbreaker nature about them (read: Miami Dolphins, USMNT, Portland Traiblazers, Columbus Crew.)
     
  7. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Standings right now
    DC United 30 pts
    Columbus 28 pts
    New England 26 pts

    Sep 13-14
    DC United v. San Jose -- 3 pts
    Columbus v. Dallas -- 3 pts
    MetroStars v. New England -- 0 pts

    Standings Sept 15
    DC United 33 pts
    Columbus 31 pts
    New England 26 pts

    Sep 20-21
    LA Galaxy v. DC United -- 0 pts
    MetroStars v. Columbus -- 0 pts
    New England v. Colorado -- 3 pts

    Standings Sept 22
    DC United 33 pts
    Columbus 31 pts
    New England 29 pts

    Sep 25
    MetroStars v. DC United -- 1 pt

    Standings Sept 26
    DC United 34 pts
    Columbus 31 pts
    New England 29 pts

    Sep 27-28
    DC United v. MetroStars -- 3 pts
    New England v. Columbus -- 3 pts for NE, 0 for CLB

    Standings Sept 29
    DC United 37 pts
    New England 32 pts
    Columbus 31 pts

    Oct 4-5
    Columbus v. DC United -- 3 pts for CLB, 0 for DCU
    Dallas v. New England -- 3 pts

    Standings Oct 6
    DC United 37 pts
    New England 35 pts
    Columbus 34 pts

    Oct 11-12
    New England v. DC United -- 3 pts for NE, 0 for DCU
    Chicago v. Columbus -- 0 pts

    Standings Oct 13
    New England 38 pts
    DC United 37 pts
    Columbus 34 pts

    Oct 18-19
    Metrostars v. New England -- 1 pt
    DC United v. Columbus -- 0 pts for DCU, 3 for CLB

    Standings Oct 20
    New England 39 pts
    Columbus 37 pts
    DC United 37 pts

    Oct 25-26
    Columbus v. Chicago -- 3 pts
    New England v. Metrostars -- 3 pts
    DC United v. Kansas City -- 3 pts

    Final Standings
    New England 42 pts
    Columbus 40 pts
    DC United 40 pts

    So then it comes down to head-to-head between Columbus and DC United. They are 1-1 to date with an even 3-3 goals. I am picking Columbus to win both their final matches which would give them a 3-1 tie breaker advantage over DCU.

    Playoff Matchups
    Chicago v. Columbus
    MetroStars v. New England

    It just seems that New England has the easiest route here. Obviously, the Oct 19th game Columbus at DC United is going to be the key game -- and in my scenario above, that's the only upset I have picked.

    That may not happen, but there will be upsets somewhere else.

    I'm going with DC United to miss the playoffs again.
     
  8. fluidsoccer

    fluidsoccer New Member

    Jun 4, 2003
    Chicago
    Good stuff. You came to your conclusion with a little more effort than I, but hey we showed up at the same place. DC is sittin' out the playoffs again. I hope.

    People complain about the playoff format, but these next couple months are going to be crazy. I can't wait. I'm a little nervous for the Crew this weekend, I can totally see them losing at home. Please God No.

    The excitement would be the same in the West if Dallas hadn't decided to check out so early.
     
  9. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A "little" more effort? Yikes! ;)

    In a month's time we'll know a lot more.

    The Burn have actually played pretty well for 80 minutes or so in both of their last two games - both losses. If they can maintain it for 90 minutes, the Crew will be in for much more of a battle than people think. (Of course I picked a Crew 3-0 win...)

    I guess the odds are that every other year of so some team is going to stink so bad that no matter how many playoff spots are handed out, they still have no chance. This year's it's the SouthSuck Burn.

    The good thing is they'll probably be back strong as ever next year, as long as Jeffries doesn't totally ruin it again.
     
  10. fluidsoccer

    fluidsoccer New Member

    Jun 4, 2003
    Chicago

    That is exactly what worries me about this Saturday's game. I had a dream I went on vacation and forgot to record the game. It was actually a nightmare. Proof positive that I'm officially a heroin addict to another bi-polar team. Just what I need.

    The thing with the Byrne is this: they suck. Sure they're playing okay now, maybe they can play spoilers for one of the Eastern conference players, still too little too late. But hey, in two years they are going to have a momentous year when they get their own stadium. That won't be huge for The Byrne alone, it'll turn into another Step Forward For Soccer in America. Those are always fun.
     
  11. fluidsoccer

    fluidsoccer New Member

    Jun 4, 2003
    Chicago
    The closer and closer I get to Saturday the more and more I feel it...The Byrne are going to beat Columbus and I'm going to be miserable. Buddle will get a hat trick in the losing effort, but Brad Davis and...and uh, Jason - wait no, uh...someone else for Dallas, yeah, somone else will lead a very unexpected offensive onslaught in Crew Stadium.
     
  12. Jose L. Couso

    Jose L. Couso New Member

    Jul 31, 2000
    Arlington, VA
    Too close to call.

    Even the Metros are not assured of a playoff spot.

    With games in hand over Columbus & New England, both the Metros and DC United have the upper hand right now.

    But things can change dramatically very quickly.

    I personally think that DC United has what it takes to make the playoff and they enjoy a favorable position right now. If DC United can beat San Jose this weekend things will look much brighter for DC United.

    However, I would not count any team out just yet.

    It is going to be a very exciting end of the season.
     
  13. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Updated Sep 15

    With the results this weekend, gotta throw MetroStars into the mix now...


    Results Sep 13-14
    DC United 2-1 San Jose -- I got this correct)
    Columbus 3-2 Dallas -- correct
    MetroStars 1-2 New England -- wrong

    Standings Now
    Metrostars 34 pts
    DC United 33 pts
    Columbus 31 pts
    New England 29 pts

    Sep 20-21
    LA Galaxy v. DC United -- 0 pts
    MetroStars v. Columbus -- 3 pts for NY, 0 for CLB
    New England v. Colorado -- 3 pts

    Standings Sept 22
    Metrostars 37 pts
    DC United 33 pts
    New England 32 pts
    Columbus 31 pts

    Sep 25
    MetroStars v. DC United -- 1 pt each

    Standings Sept 26
    Metrostars 38 pts
    DC United 34 pts
    New England 32 pts
    Columbus 31 pts

    Sep 27-28
    DC United v. MetroStars -- 3 pts for DC, 0 for NY
    New England v. Columbus -- 3 pts for NE, 0 for CLB

    Standings Sept 29
    Metrostars 38 pts
    DC United 37 pts
    New England 35 pts
    Columbus 31 pts

    Oct 4-5
    San Jose v. MetroStars -- 0 pts
    Columbus v. DC United -- 3 pts for CLB, 0 for DCU
    Dallas v. New England -- 3 pts

    Standings Oct 6
    Metrostars 38 pts
    New England 38 pts
    DC United 37 pts
    Columbus 34 pts

    Oct 11-12
    MetroStars v. Dallas -- 3 pts
    New England v. DC United -- 3 pts for NE, 0 for DCU
    Chicago v. Columbus -- 0 pts

    Standings Oct 13
    MetroStars 41 pts
    New England 41 pts
    DC United 37 pts
    Columbus 34 pts

    Oct 18-19
    Metrostars v. New England -- 1 pt each
    DC United v. Columbus -- 0 pts for DCU, 3 for CLB

    Standings Oct 20
    MetroStars 42 pts
    New England 42 pts
    Columbus 37 pts
    DC United 37 pts

    Oct 25-26
    Columbus v. Chicago -- 3 pts
    New England v. Metrostars -- 3 pts for NE, 0 for NY
    DC United v. Kansas City -- 3 pts

    Final Standings
    New England 45 pts
    MetroStars 42 pts
    Columbus 40 pts
    DC United 40 pts

    New England wins the head to head against the MetroStars 2-0-2. Columbus wins the head to head with DC United 3-1.

    Playoff Matchups
    Chicago v. Columbus
    New England v. MetroStars
     
  14. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Updated Sep 15



    I realize you didn't say these are sure things, but with the way LA, Clb and Col are playing, the results could go exactly the opposite of how you're picking them. In which case, instead of this:

    you'd have this

    Met 34
    DC 36
    Clb 34
    NE 29

    i.e, the Revs need points this weekend, especially since it's at home. but playing a high flying Rapids team with Chung having fresh legs after a week off, it won't be easy.

    will be interesting as always.
     
  15. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    YES! I did it! The lone vote for the Fire is me.

    They have no chance. Have they clinched yet?
     
  16. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, not sure things -- just my analysis / picks. Which means that at least 2 of the 3 are going to be wrong :).
     
  17. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, they haven't clinched yet, but they could clinch this weekend with a win combined with a New England loss. If New England wins, they'd be a single point from clinching with a win and a Columbus loss or 2 points from clinching with a Columbus draw or win.
     
  18. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea, but 2 of the 3 of mine will be wrong too.

    Where does that leave us? :)
     
  19. lufty

    lufty Member

    Aug 21, 2000
    The Metrosexuals will miss out again. Big home and home series v. the revs will make it interesting final week but... when it is all said and done.. I think its going to be almost as tight this year as it was last year witht he following going like this.

    1. Chicago-
    2. New England-
    3. Columbus
    4. Metros
    5. DC
     
  20. Detective40oz

    Detective40oz Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    How do you have the Metrosexuals missing out if you put them in 4th place?
     

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