MLS Playoff Race 2007 [R]

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Gemmell, Aug 29, 2007.

  1. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    As requested in another thread here is a list of each teams Magic Numbers to clinch one of the top 8 playoff posistions.

    I went with a single table as I think it looks cleaner as teams are looking to be better than the ninth place team in the league for the purpose of this chart. If anyone has any recommendations on cleaning this up or adding more data to it or removing it from the table I can do that as well.

    I will try to update this every morning after the games if possible.


    Code:
    		GP  W   L   D   Pts  GR	 MPT  M#
    1  New England  23  12  5   6   42   7   63   10
    2  D.C. United  21  12  6   3   39   9   66   13
    3  Houston      23  11  7   5   38   7   59   14
    4  Chivas USA   20  11  6   3   36   10  66   16
    5  FC Dallas    21  11  7   3   36   9   63   16
    6  New York     22  10  9   3   33   8   57   19
    7  Kansas City  22  9   8   5   32   8   56   20
    8  Colorado     22  7   9   6   27   8   51   25
       Columbus     22  6   7   9   27   8   51   25
       Chicago      21  7   9   5   26   9   53   26
       Toronto FC   22  5   12  5   20   8   44   32
       Los Angeles  18  3   10  5   14   12  50   38
       RSL          19  2   11  6   12   11  45   40
    
    GR = Games Remaining
    MPT = Maximum Points a team can achieve
    M# = Is the Magic Number I calculated (MPT of 9th place team Columbus right now at 51 - Pts +1)
    On thing I found interesting is that in the next 3 weeks Columbus plays the Rapids, Fire, and Wizards. And those are the only 3 matches between the 7, 8, 9, and 10 teams for the rest of the season (unless I missed one). If the Crew win at least 2 of 3 they could be sitting in a strong position going into the end of the season.
     
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  2. opal347

    opal347 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 18, 2005
    Clinton Twp, MI
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: MLS Playoff Race 2008 [R]

    It's 2008 already? :confused: Wow, does time fly. I figured this thread would be how the playoffs would be set up next year, which IMO, should be and probably will be the top 4 from each conference (no crossovers).

    Aside from the little mistake about forgetting what year it is, I like the idea, but I think it's just a little too early, as theoretically every team could still mathematically win the Supporters' Shield. Maybe in another 3 weeks or so.
     
  3. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    Re: MLS Playoff Race 2008 [R]

    I agree I think it is a bit early. Someone requested the information so I posted it for them in a different thread, but it makes sense to move it out of the 2006 thread.

    As for 2008, well I am an idiot:)

    Though with the Crew playing the Rapids this weekend and if they tie a couple teams will be in high single digits from clinching.
     
  4. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: MLS Playoff Race 2008 [R]

    I'm much more interested in the "tragic numbers" than I am in the "magic numbers" - ie I want to know how close RSL and the Galaxy are from playoff elimination.

    Only problem is I forget how you're supposed to calculate them and can't find a good explanation anywhere (as the baseball formula is clearly not applicable). Anyone want to fill in the "tragic numbers"?
     
  5. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: MLS Playoff Race 2008 [R]

    CurrentPoints + (3 * GamesRemaining) - 8thPlacePointTotal + 1
     
  6. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    Code:
    		GP  W   L   D   Pts  GR	 MPT  M#   T P
    8  Colorado     22  7   9   6   27   8   51   25   ---
       Columbus     22  6   7   9   27   8   51   25   25
       Chicago      21  7   9   5   26   9   53   26   27
       Toronto FC   22  5   12  5   20   8   44   32   18
       Los Angeles  18  3   10  5   14   12  50   38   24
       RSL          19  2   11  6   12   11  45   40   19
    
    TP = Tragic Points
    
    I think I got the math right on all these but I could be wrong.
     
  7. RedBulls225

    RedBulls225 New Member

    Jun 19, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    :confused: I don't get your magic numbers thing. What is it supposed to be representing? It certainly can't be the amount of points the team needs to get by the end of the season (# is 19 for NYRB, but they only have 4 games left).
     
  8. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I think I got the same as you.
    Code:
    	  GP   W   L   D   Pts   GR   MPT   T#   M#
    1   NER   23   12  5   6   42    7    63    37   10
    2   DCU   21   12  6   3   39    9    66    40   13
    3   HOU   23   11  7   5   38    7    59    33   14
    4   CDC   20   11  6   3   36    10   66    40   16
    5   FCD   21   11  7   3   36    9    63    37   16
    6   NYR   22   10  9   3   33    8    57    31   19
    7   KCW   22   9   8   5   32    8    56    30   20
    8   COL   22   7   9   6   27    8    51    25   25
        CMB   22   6   7   9   27    8    51    25   25
        CHI   21   7   9   5   26    9    53    27   26
        TFC   22   5   12  5   20    8    44    18   32
        LAG   18   3   10  5   14    12   50    24   38
        RSL   19   2   11  6   12    11   45    19   40
    
    Interesting to me that from this perspective TFC is actually in the worst shape playoff-wise.
     
  9. RedBulls225

    RedBulls225 New Member

    Jun 19, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Or maybe it's simple and I'm just stupid.
     
  10. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Red Bulls have 8 games left.

    You can define it a couple of ways:

    1) If the team gains this number of points in its remaining games, it will reach the playoffs, regardless of all other results in the league.

    2) If the sum of points gained by the team in question and points lost by the 9th-place team adds up to this number, the team will have qualified for the playoffs.

    So, for example, if the Red Bulls earn 19 more points, they will have 52. There are 5 teams in the league that cannot reach 52 points, so with 52 points, the Red Bulls can finish no worse than 8th and will be in the playoffs.
     
  11. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    In practical terms, the last play-off spot is a 3-legged race between Chicago, Colorado and Columbus.

    Should any of the current "in" teams such as New York and KC experience slumps, they'll join the race from the top (by falling down).

    Off their play, TFC and the LAG are realistically eliminated.

    Hypothetically, however, LA could get on a roll (is Yallop really resigning soon?) and make it interesting.
     
  12. CACuzcatlan

    CACuzcatlan Member

    Jun 11, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd say just Columbus and Chicago. Colorado beat Houston on an own goal and then they beat LA, luck and a bad team.
     
  13. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    CACuzcatlan - I think Colorado is going to have a tough time as well, but they do play RSL twice and LAG once and play the Crew this weekend. If they can get wins in those 4 games which would be tough to pull off they would have 39 points. that would put them above Chicago or Columbus based on Points per game projections right now. Plus Chiacgo and Columbus probably have tougher schedules left than Colorado, though I can't say for sure as I have not calculated that. Maybe tomorrow morning.

    Knave - Don't worry about the points till elimination, things will look more normal by tomorrow. Unless of course RSL wins. Plus you have RSL and LAG playing on Saturday for the rights to the top overall draft pick:)
     
  14. TalkMLS

    TalkMLS New Member

    Jul 25, 2007
    Buffalo, NY area
    I'll be watching how Houston and FCD fair, Chivas USA would love to see both teams lose... it will be a battel all the way to the end.
     
  15. angrywhiteman

    angrywhiteman Member

    May 26, 2004
    CO Mountains
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sandwiched around a 3-nil drubbing of New England.
     
  16. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Colorado's been playing a lot better since Clavijo put in Colin Clark on the left to compliment Terry Cooke on the right and Conor Casey's return from injury. With Kirovski in a withdrawn role (I'd play Hernandez there myself), they seem to be gelling.

    And, as has been pointed out, they have a favorable schedule to end the season.

    Of course, with the juggernaut that RSL is becoming ...
     
  17. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    Well no major changes at the bottom as I expected. Congrats to RSL for a much needed win to stay in this.


    Code:
    	  GP   W   L   D   Pts   GR   MPT   T#   M#
    1   NER   23   12  5   6   42    7    63    37   10
    2   DCU   21   12  6   3   39    9    66    40   13
    3   HOU   23   11  7   5   38    7    59    33   14
    4   CDC   20   11  6   3   36    10   66    40   16
    5   FCD   21   11  7   3   36    9    63    37   16
    6   NYR   22   10  9   3   33    8    57    31   19
    7   KCW   23   9   9   5   32    7    56    27   20
    8   COL   22   7   9   6   27    8    51    25   25
        CMB   22   6   7   9   27    8    51    25   25
        CHI   21   7   9   5   26    9    53    27   26
        TFC   22   5   12  5   20    8    44    18   32
        RSL   20   3   11  6   15    10   45    19   37
        LAG   18   3   10  5   14    12   50    24   38
    
    GR = Games Remaining
    MPT = Maximum Points a team can achieve
    M# = Is the Magic Number
    T# = Is Knave's Tragic Number till Elimination
    
    SOS No Weighting	
    1    1.56    Chicago
    2    1.50    Kansas City
    3    1.40    FC Dallas
    4    1.38    New England
    5    1.36    Columbus
    6    1.36    Toronto FC
    7    1.34    D.C. United
    8    1.33    Real Salt Lake
    9    1.33    Chivas USA
    10   1.31    Los Angeles
    11   1.24    New York
    12   1.23    Colorado
    13   1.13    Houston
    
    SOS Location weighted		
    1    1.72   Chicago
    2    1.62   Kansas City
    3    1.41   New England
    4    1.38   D.C. United
    5    1.38   8Toronto FC
    6    1.38   Real Salt Lake
    7    1.35   New York
    8    1.34   Los Angeles
    9    1.34   Colorado
    10   1.31   Columbus
    11   1.27   Houston
    12   1.26   FC Dallas
    13   1.17   Chivas USA
    A few posts back I said how Colorado probably has ana easier schedule going foward than Chicago or Columbus. I crunched the numbers and I did it two different ways. One ways was to just use each opponenets PPG divided by total games left. The other way was to take into account where the game will be played. For instance if you play Chivas on the Road there average PPG is 2.75 but if you play them at home there PPG is 1.16.


    On thing I noticed is that Chicago has a brutal stretch of games where they will play FCD on the road, DC at home, Chivas on the Road, NE at home, and DC on the Road.
     
  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :rolleyes:

    Convenient that you skipped over our 3-0 thrashing of New England with that statement. Not to mention that in our last 8 games we play FSL twice, LA again, Columbus and Toronto. We have Chivas and New England on the road and Chivas at home, everyone else left is below us in the standings.
     
  19. YilmazOrhan

    YilmazOrhan Well Brian, I hit it first time...

    Jun 18, 2006
    Suburbia, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If KC hasn't been in a slump since early July, I don't want to know what one looks like.
     
  20. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    Updated to reflect last nights games.
    Code:
    	  GP   W   L   D   Pts   GR   MPT   T#   M#
    1   NER   23   12  5   6   42    7    63    37   10
    2   DCU   22   13  6   3   42    8    66    40   10
    3   HOU   24   11  7   6   39    6    57    31   13
    4   CDC   20   11  6   3   36    10   66    40   16
    5   FCD   21   11  7   3   36    9    63    37   16
    6   NYR   23   11  9   3   36    7    57    31   16
    7   KCW   23   9   9   5   32    7    56    27   20
    8   COL   22   7   9   6   27    8    51    25   25
        CMB   22   6   7   9   27    8    51    25   25
        CHI   22   7   10  5   26    8    53    24   26
        TFC   22   5   12  5   20    8    44    18   32
        RSL   21   4   11  6   18    9    45    19   34
        LAG   19   3   11  5   14    11   47    21   38
    
    GR = Games Remaining
    MPT = Maximum Points a team can achieve
    M# = Is the Magic Number
    T# = Is Knave's Tragic Number till Elimination
    
     
  21. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for the numbers, Gemmell.


    BTW, it looks like you forgot to update KC and FCD after last night's games -- KC has 33 pts, 24 GP; FCD has 36 pts, 22 GP.
     
  22. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love this season ... it's been awesome.

    And some huge games this week that will affect playoff standings ... and hopes!

    DC @ Chivas, Thursday.
    Chicago @ CBus, Saturday
    Revs @ DC, Sunday
    RBNY @ Chivas, Sunday

    4 of this week's 7 games are just huge, in regards to playoffs, and three are huge in regards to the Shield.
     
  23. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    Updated to include all the games through this weekend.

    Code:
             GP   W   L   D   Pts  GR  MPT  T#   M#   
    1  DCU   22   13  6   3   42   8   66   39   8
    2  NER   23   12  5   6   42   7   63   36   8
    3  HOU   24   11  7   6   39   6   57   30   11
    4  CDC   20   11  6   3   36   10  66   39   14
    5  FCD   22   11  8   3   36   8   60   33   14
    6  NYR   23   11  9   3   36   7   57   30   14
    7  KCW   24   9   9   6   33   6   51   24   17
    8  COL   23   7   9   7   28   7   49   22   22
       CMB   23   6   7   10  28   7   49   22   22
       CHI   22   7   10  5   26   8   50   23   24
       TFC   22   5   12  5   20   8   44   17   30
       RSL   21   4   11  6   18   9   45   18   32
       LAG   19   3   11  5   14   11  47   20   36
    
    GR = Games Remaining
    MPT = Maximum Points a team can achieve
    M# = Is the Magic Number
    T# = Is Knave's Tragic Number till Elimination
     
  24. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    Updated to reflect last nights game.

    Code:
             GP   W   L   D   Pts  GR  MPT  T#   M#   SSE#
    1  DCU   23   13  6   4   43   7   64   37   7    23
    2  NER   23   12  5   6   42   7   63   36   8    21
    3  HOU   24   11  7   6   39   6   57   30   11   15
    4  CDC   21   11  6   4   37   9   64   37   13   22
    5  FCD   22   11  8   3   36   8   60   33   14   18
    6  NYR   23   11  9   3   36   7   57   30   14   15
    7  KCW   24   9   9   6   33   6   51   24   17   9
    8  COL   23   7   9   7   28   7   49   22   22   7
       CMB   23   6   7   10  28   7   49   22   22   7
       CHI   22   7   10  5   26   8   50   23   24   8
       TFC   22   5   12  5   20   8   44   17   30   2
       RSL   21   4   11  6   18   9   45   18   32   3
       LAG   19   3   11  5   14   11  47   20   36   5
    
    GR = Games Remaining
    MPT = Maximum Points a team can achieve
    M# = Is the Magic Number I calculated (MPT of 9th place team Colorado right now at 51 - Pts +1)
    T# = Is Knave's Tragic Number till Elimination
    SSE# = Supporters Shield Elimination Number (Points missed until eliminated)
    Games that will have the most impact this week on the races.
    Chicago at Columbus
    NE at DC
    Red Bulls at Chivas

    No body can clinch this week, except for Toronto, Salt Lake being eliminated from the Supporters Shield.
     
  25. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    Code:
            GP   W   L   D   Pts  GR  MPT  T#   M#  SSE#
    1 DCU   23   13  6   4   43   7   64   37   4   22
    2 NER   23   12  5   6   42   7   63   36   5   21
    3 HOU   25   12  7   6   42   5   57   30   5   15
    4 CDC   21   11  6   4   37   9   64   37   10  22
    5 FCD   23   12  8   3   39   7   60   33   8   18
    6 NYR   23   11  9   3   36   7   57   30   11  15
    7 KCW   24   9   9   6   33   6   51   24   14  9
    8 CHI   23   8   10  5   29   7   50   23   18  8
      COL   24   7   10  7   28   6   46   19   19  4
      CMB   24   6   8   10  28   6   46   19   19  4
      TFC   23   5   13  5   20   7   41   14   27  -
      RSL   22   4   12  6   18   8   42   15   29  -
      LAG   19   4   11  5   17   11  50   23   30  8
    
    GR = Games Remaining
    MPT = Maximum Points a team can achieve
    M# = Is the Magic Number I calculated (MPT of 9th place team Colorado right now at 51 - Pts +1)
    T# = Is Knave's Tragic Number till Elimination
    SSE# = Supporters Shield Elimination Number (Points missed until eliminated)
    
    Two teams are now eliminated from Supporters Shield Contention.
     

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