German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    If your struggling as much as MVT, I can't understand this weird insistence on using this almost sabermetrics like approach to creating a wnt, when all your best examples to do this already exist within elite club football...:confused:

    To completely ignore the roles/positions various players will generate their best stats, in favor of using said stats to move players into roles they're not specialized to play, is so... bad lol.

    Oh, and then only scheduling one friendly, after you've already selected your final 23...
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  2. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Still absolutely ZERO comment from the DFB on it's wnt's unprecedented fall from FIFA's top 3. (they've never been outside the top 3, and currently sit #5..:speechless:)

    Lots a fake positivity, to go alongside highly manufactured media pieces, but absolutely ZERO comments from anyone important, concerning the lower than acceptable quality of the wnt...:confused:
     
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  3. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    when their not busy stopping insurrections, what else does the German police department do but go on to win the Euro Police woso Chmapionship!
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    led by Freiburg's two able defenders, Minge & Karl, who are probably better picks than some of MVT's!



    it does feel generally DFB will accept/or not fire MVT if it goes to the most predictable forecast; 2nd place group Germany loosing to eventual champs England, in the quarter-finals(as I’ve already read stuff like NOT having Marozsan available for it Germany looses, lol)

    I feel however that MVT is way too technical/versus Batfink assertion is that she's is an complete technical nincompoop! Sill hoping that one of he players quietly says fu** U to MVT game plan & tries to take charge as we really need someone to stand out in this tournament ala Like Martens did the last Euro's. I'm looking at 3 of my favorites to do it, either Brand, Buhl or Wassmuth

    the 19 year old Brand came out like gang busters early last year, had a quick start to this last season, but somehow could not manage a single goal or assist for either since the start of the winter break

    Buhl had some sensational pre season performances; I would call world, top ten type perofrmances, but since then could only mange two league goals

    Wassmuth performance at the Champions League was near MVP(of the entire tournament),, but that was as striker, reverting back to winger she often becomes spectator

    so I'm hoping, one for at least one of these three to dublicate an past performance of their's. Sad part though is MVT cut already 3 others(Rall, Hagel & Nusken) who give 'instant offence' so badly needed to score goals & win games!
     
  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Minge a CM, Karl a FB/CB. But Freiburg's best defender last season, and one of the leagues best players last season too, was Steuerwald...:whistling:

    And I'm very disappointed that as yet, no stronger clubs appear willing to take the chance on making her part of their future plans; but I have come to expect the wnt coaches staying completely oblivious to selecting anything resembling credible new defensive options...:rolleyes:

    Plus I do find it odd seeing Bundesliga regulars, who were both regular junior internationals, taking part in something like the European Police Championships; It's cheating lol
     
  5. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    From the protection MVT's received from the DFB, directly opposing to the cold/almost antagonistic tension we witnessed when Jones head coach, I also believe MVT's job safe regardless of her teams performance at these Euro's...:(

    And the fact anyone believe Marozsan ever truly important to the current wnt, highlights how much Germany's continued decent towards mediocrity, is happening surrounded by complete apathy lol.

    People just see various German players across elite European clubs, and have no idea it how little crossover any of this talent will have have within their wnt...:confused:
     
  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    LOL... seriously, you not know how elite professional sport works...? Hint... it doesn't include players doing whatever they want...:giggle:

    In a sport with so much competition at youth level, the difference between players making it to the top, and falling short, will often come down to who can follow instructions best; not who's the most talented.

    Your fantasy where players just decide to do whatever they want, is pretty amusing, but completely ridiculous. Again... if you want to see individuals operate with freedom, it comes from them following strong coaching.
     
  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    And yeah... the 19yo Brand also just finished her FIRST FULL SEASON as a professional lol. Even if her rise shockingly impressive at times, I feel like your expecting far too much from her being within the wnt right now.

    Few players at her early stage career, will maintain consistency at the elite levels of the game; and your demanding that she single handedly win a Euro's lol...o_O

    Yes, and Buhl remains a seriously talented offensive player, but again clearly very early in a career she'll need to implement a necessary selfish element to her skill set, before we likely witness her true range for scoring goals.
     
  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    ...:confused: But Waßmuth's been starting up front alongside Roord when she plays for Wolfsburg; allowing her to make movements/runs without the ball, similar to how she would operate if she was playing wide within a front 3.

    This is why she looks lost whenever deployed out wide in Wolfsburg's 4-2-3-1, as she's not a traditional winger like a Hansen, who can glide past defenders with the ball. I think you forgot why Waßmuth established her reputation at Hoffenheim, within a front three.

    Wolfsburg's 4-2-3-1 typically functioning like a 4-4-2 with Roord in the CAM role. If Waßmuth is to play a FW role for MVT, it would probably be best (but more tactically vulnerable..:cautious:) if it came with her playing next to Popp, or Lohmann.
     
  9. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    All three of these players are strong, but within a poor national team that never functions like a cohesive team. Your not going to see them become dependable individuals, in the roles you've assigned for them here.

    Brand and Buhl are legit creators, but not scorers. While you'd be taking a huge risk starting with a 4-4-2, just so Waßmuth can play up front.

    Yes, Germany have the players to score goals... it's just them being part of a team lacking a defense, and a mid-field, able to provide the stable platform which allows anyone to see it...:cautious:
     
  10. Thomsen

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    Honestly, the media just doesn't care in Germany it feels like... :cautious: I mean, I'm pretty sure there are hundreds working within the female programs in Germany that know exactly what we're talking about here; that MVT is a terrible coach

    I just wish I would see a shitstorm in the German media regarding MVT's terrible decision making lol.

    It's a pity if she still has her job after the inevitable flop this summer... yikes
     
  11. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    The main media does pay attention to an major tournament, so I would well think that MVT will get exposed & will get fired if she don’t get out of group play. Should as well at quarter-finals, unless perhaps the team that beats it, ends up winning the championship.

    So far in pre Euro competition, I’m very impressed the way Wiegman turned an slight above average CB(Arsenal) in Williamson into an very dominant/athletic box to box midfielder for England)very strong game the other day vs Belgium). Let’s what surprise MVT cooks up for us this Friday vs Switzerland, lol
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I want to see the senior team actual do well in tournaments again, but so much about it's leadership seems to be random, unfocused, or simply unable to execute on long term planning.

    I don't expect the wnt to be the center of media attention without actually doing something positive. But I have major issues with Germany's preparations for this latest tournament, and find it annoying seeing the DFB openly shape a public relations act based hiding from the truth.

    The DFB talk about wanting the media and public to care more, but won't even be honest with themselves.
     
  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    The DFB has already created a narrative which removes MVT from any major responsibility for failure. It's obvious the intention to keep her regardless of continued decline...:(

    And think... using the self imposed rule of hiring German Women only for all future coaching roles within the women's program, do the DFB have any credible options to replace MVT anyway...?
     
  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    hotjam2.... please stop comparing MVT with elite coaches like Wiegman. I don't know why your doing this, but from trying to suggest MVT a tactical genius, to placing her in the same universe as the games elite female coaches, your creating a false narrative of MVT being an elite wnt coach, when every piece of evidence shows how this simply not true.

    LOL... look how it took a few weeks for Stroot to learn how to maximize the effectiveness of his core 6-8 players. Seeing an early poor start for Oberdorf, Lattwein, Hendrich, Waßmuth, Roord, Huth, gradually evolve into them combining together and produce highly impressive individual performances.

    Everyone can see Germany posses a lot of talent, but honestly... I can't call anyone a good coach turning one of Europe's best double six duo's into bad CB's...:coffee: She's managed to turn a top wnt like Germany, into a wnt with goals no better than her former side Switzerland...:speechless:
     
  15. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
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    All they need is a capable coach lol. Yeah, DFB doesn't treat their women's national team well, but Martina's terrible decision-making doesn't make it any better.

    Really, it shouldn't be tough to at least get a capable coach coaching this team... :unsure:
     
  16. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    I’ve wrote enough times that MVT’s painfully slow, convoluted passing game is NOT going to work. At the same time I don’t feel all of Germany’s problems on MVT

    You’ve mentioned enough times the importance of ‘club’ soccer, but higher ranked Dutch & Swedish NT’s don’t even had strong leagues in their respective countries/I guess this takes out England as favorites since all 3 clubs flopped at the Champions League? And how bout Stroot; didn’t he het outsmarted when he made his team play 4-4-2 with the high up backline slaughtered by Barca’s counters?

    Heck, might as well give France the crown since their the only ones to get two teams in the CL(even though their coach is so despised & didn’t even pick the 3 best French mids for her squad(
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Well, after years of constant changes, and no identity, MVT's openly stated the time for experimentation is now over lol.

    So this means we should expect to see MVT's vision of a first choice team when they face Switzerland...:unsure:
     
  18. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    The wnt's leadership made it perfectly clear when they gave a novice Jones the head coaches role, that they don't care about the actual quality of the senior teams figurehead. And then they doubled down on this path after failure, selecting the mediocre coach of Switzerland's wnt to replace Jones; all based on the simple fact she was another former wnt player...:confused:

    They would even attempt to offset the obvious flaw in this plan, by providing these head coaches with strong assistant coaches. But with performances looking worse now, than they were under Jones, I feel these Euro's are fast becoming a make or break proof of concept for the continuation of this process.

    DFB leadership surely knowing it has nowhere to turn if MVT continues the downward spiral, and likely hoping for at least a few strong performances to grant Ariane Hingst the extra time to prepare for her eventual coronation as the next former player to become head coach...:coffee:
     
  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    You didn't need to be Albert Einstein whenever looking at Germany's senior wnt playing football, to gather it's genuine ineffectiveness. Your the one trying to attach complexity to something that's just bad.

    It's like looking at a strange intellectually praised piece of million dollar modern art, and then confusing the unclean toilets next to it as another installation of work worthy of equal status...:rolleyes:
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Most people would say this too... but I wonder what your actual views are on this subject, as I doubt they match most peoples observations lol..?

    Huh...:unsure: but I already addressed how these wnt's all feature lots of their players within various strong leagues/teams around Europe... so I don't understand your point here...?

    All this does is highlight Germany's embarrassing waste of resources, seeing the quality of wnt a Netherland's, and now England, can produce with such smaller player pools...:confused:
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Again... what's your point..? After YEARS being head coach, MVT's head to head Vs opponents within FIFA's top ten is trash. And this with her getting the wnt it's lowest position ever within a FIFA ranking too...o_O

    Stroot came to a club in the middle of a rebuild, having just sold Harder, not knowing Pajor would be missing for most of the season through injury. Yet he moves Oberdorf, Hendrich, Waßmuth, Roord, into new roles, and was able to get Huth, Wedemeyer, Lattwein, Janssen, to all combine into a new side capable of producing some of the clubs finest form.

    Even when Stroot saw tactical errors kill his team away to Barca, he was able to rectify that slightly in a impressive victory during their second encounter. So until MVT shows she can make her best players shine, we shouldn't be seeing anymore comparisons between her and the games elite coaches. She has not earned the status yet.
     
  22. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Bayern, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim = 3 German clubs in the WUCL; Bayern, and Wolfsburg, both having very strong performances during the knock out rounds.

    Plus at no point would anyone with a true understanding of the game, believe this ever provide Germany any genuine privileges towards constructing a strong wnt. Highlighted best with Lyon's long run of success having no major overlap with the French national team.
     
  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
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    @hotjam2 All Euro's remain a tournament most USwnt fans will regularly view with genuine envy, but also complete contempt for the sides involved lol. This knowing most of the teams no longer genuine threats to USwnt's WC hopes, but still taking part in an exciting tournament that could easily claim the #2 spot for competition, and media attention.

    I do wonder what US sports media will say about this tournament, seeing the Euro nations who they once thought genuine threats to their WWC title claims, all fall to the side as nations who pose very little long term threat all take advantage of the power vacuum...:cautious:

    The DFB continue to say the world has got better, trying to shift any focus from anyone highlighting their own failings. But after seeing the confusion with English media viewing Germany for the first time since the WC, I genuinely want to see what US sports media have to say after witnessing MVT's Germany in this tournament.
     
  24. hotjam2

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    #1149 hotjam2, Jun 24, 2022
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    You really think US media is going to cover this? Lol, sorry to say but even with the USWNT, woso has become more for specialized fans for the genre. There used to be free web outlets to watch Euro tourneys(for any sports), everything’s turned into pay/subscription So doubt I’ll get to watch anything but replays on YouTube.
    Viewership in the US declined for the 2019 WC and even after that woso fans now seem to become very militant/pro woke(God forbid if we crtized Megen Rapinoe, lol)you can see as well loss of interest as well for woso at this BS forum
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    I would say that Euro soccer has become harder to predict. But you got to hand it to the Dutch for their incredible strong showing over the last 5 years. Decoding their success could well be the key for any future success for anybody else as well

    Guess for some it was the seeming expert coaching by Wiegman. My quick view is able to produce top star players like Miedema & Martens. But they were products of any rather weak amateurish league that for instance; last year 20+ goal scorer, Smits, who scored need up being an flop at WOB
     
  25. hotjam2

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