Gio’s Red in DA

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  1. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Buried In the bombshells from earlier this week about the Reyna’s and the WC and the Coach, was a text exchange from a few year’s back when the young Reyna may have been shown red by a referee in a DA match, and Papa texted USSF folks about it, and also threw in some disparaging remarks about the sex of the official in question. Anybody shed any light on the situation?
     
  2. SA14mars

    SA14mars Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What other light are you looking for? What you said is what the report said, so there's not much else to say. Anyone on that game shouldn't be speaking public about it anyway.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right. Even if the red card was completely bogus… it wouldn’t justify Reyna’s actions or absolve him of any consequences. Plus we are talking about a youth level red card from six years ago in a now defunct competition.

    Also, I’d take issue with the idea this was “buried.” It’s in the plain text of the report and I think it says a lot that the investigators chose to include it. Nothing is “buried.” It’s receiving a good amount of attention already.
     
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  4. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    So I actually went in and did the research and I don't see his son getting a red card on any of the matches during the DA play-offs and championship during that time period. Unless it's a regular season Development Academy game, there is no record of his son getting a red card during that time period.

    http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/ss/view_game_report.php?eventId=5302298&teamId=7702897

    http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/ss/view_game_report.php?eventId=5302314&teamId=7702897

    http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/ss/view_game_report.php?eventId=5302329&teamId=7702677

    http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/ss/view_game_report.php?eventId=5336073&teamId=7705956

    http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/ss/view_game_report.php?eventId=5337513&teamId=7702897

    http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/ss/view_game_report.php?eventId=5359814&teamId=7702897

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    I also went in and looked at what potential game he could be complaining about during this time period. There were three games (the ones with a red rectangle next to them) that had a female referee.

    I don't know what Reyna is complaining about as some of the officials on those games are current referees working professional games in NWSL, USL, etc.
     
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  5. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    I get the impression that the senior Reyna was doing what so many soccer parents do when calls go against their offspring which is complaining to anyone who will listen. Mr. Reyna just happened to have a lot of people high up in USSF who he could whinge to and to try to exert a little influence... I bet the national assignor who put refs on those matches had no idea that communication was ever made and I doubt they would care one bit. But, the fact that Mr. Reyna tried to pedal his influence to get female referees removed from his kid's games speaks louder about him than anything else he has done in this situation. The issue between Claudi and Gregg just comes off as ultra petty, but trying to use his self-perceived influence to curtail the development of women in refereeing, well shame on Claudio for that.
     
  6. AlextheRef

    AlextheRef Member

    Jun 29, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just wanted to point out that the report describes two separate incidences, and the OP by @Refusabc comingles the incidences, which inadvertently implies Gio was sent off by a female official.

    The first incident, in February 2016, involved Claudio complaining about a red card Gio received (undoubtedly in regular season play). Claudio attempted to overturn the suspension/card so that Gio could play in the next match.

    The second, in July 2018, was when Claudio Reyna disparaged female referees. Based on context provided by @RedStar91, this likely was about a DA playoff match at Swope Soccer Village (one of the best soccer facilities in the US) and a female referee who has advanced to the professional level. Claudio wrote in an email:

    “Field, referee everything!! So embarrassing all the way around.” ​

    He then sent a follow-up email that stated:

    “And in all honest [sic] can we get real and have male refs for a game like this. Its embarrassing guys. What are we trying to prove? A game like this deserves bett[e]r attention.”​

    A U.S. Soccer member/employee wrote an internal email about Claudio, forwarding the problem emails, stating:

    “This is truly sad to see. I believe we should regroup internally . . . and decide the path we want to take. After this and his communication last week, this is not appropriate or acceptable.”​

    Unsurprising for the Reynas, but clearly unacceptable conduct which is why it's included in the report.
     
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  7. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    It's obviously disgraceful and misogynistic, but using your status and self-perceived influence to impact assigning on soccer matches is not unique.

    For christ sake, the whole calciopoli scandal in Italy was Juventus basically choosing who refereed their games. I read an article that in a span of like 5 years Colina only refereed like a handful of Juve matches.

    We are seeing it play out right now in Spain where it seems that Barcelona was doing the same thing except this time there seems to be an actual exchange of money.

    We see it all the time in college soccer where coaches try and sometimes successfully dictate referee assignments. So it is not out of bounds for a parent (who was previously employed by US Soccer and was a former national team captain to try and dictate referee assignments).
     
  8. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Christina Uncle briefly mentions the crap she had to go through in being blocked from assignments and such.

     
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  9. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Fair enough, but
    I think THIS is why I posted. I am a HS assignor who replaced a 35 year veteran 2 years ago. He had never assigned a woman to a boys HS game. I put my best referees on the best games. I don’t care what gender they are. I hope we all can do that.
     
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  10. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    #10 MetroFever, Mar 16, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2023
    Although the red card given to Gio in a DA game might have been a "regular season" game, there is still the possibility that he was shown a red card in one the matches highlighted above and the referee chose NOT to report it because of pressure from other folks not to do so because of who the player was and Claudio wasn't aware of it when he asked that it be rescinded.

    For those who are naive that this stuff doesn't happen, I was part of a crew in an Academy match where the coaches BEGGED and pleaded for the referee not to report a red card given to a player after the game was over since he would miss his next match in a warm weather state. The referee actually heard them out (I'll leave it at that).

    From a non-refereeing standpoint, to say this whole thing is sad is an understatement. The best US team still remains the one from 2002 where we had stronger leadership from the USSF. This wouldn't have happened back then. I hate when folks compare how everything is hunky dory at Borussia Dortmund, as if the Germans would give this mother-father duo the time of day as they know they wouldn't get very far even if they whined to them about anything.

    It's the 3rd month without a head coach and it's time to bring back Berhalter or hire a new coach. Even the players are now finally speaking out about "childish" behavior since this is dragging on:



     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two things.

    First, it's been corrected in-thread that the red card in question was in 2016, not 2018. So that list above isn't the right sample.

    Second, if it was the right sample... the phenomenon you experienced just isn't happening at DA playoffs. All those games were on video. All were assessed. All had a number of important USSF people--from both the refereeing and technical staff--attending. And this is a tournament environment with referees reporting the match immediately, in the referee tent, on a tablet provided by USSF, sitting at a desk next to USSF staff. And all these referees are trying to move to the next level. No referee team there is quietly/accidentally forgetting to report a red card. In fact, if a red card had been shown to Reyna in a DA playoff match, there's no way they would get away with not reporting it (even if they wanted to) precisely because of the attention it would already have before they reached the tent--I mean, Rick Eddy would have known Reyna got sent off before the referee got off the field. But again, see point #1... it was 2016 and not 2018.
     
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  12. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Yeah. There is zero chance of that happening at the DA playoffs. Zero.
     
  13. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    OMG. I remember doing all of that. There is just no way that they would do it, but even if they did, someone there would have called it out and it would have been fixed. And YOU KNOW that if it was Claudio Reyna's kid there would be talk about it all over the tournament.
     
  14. Advantage

    Advantage Member

    Apr 25, 2022
    PEAK golf carts
     
  15. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Generation Adidas event possibly?
     
  16. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, Gio was playing up. When he was barely 15 he was playing with the U17s.
     

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