Bundesliga 2022/23 - 27 EURO finalists play in the best league in Europe

This is such an asinine opinion... wow. Rather than simply admit MVT just another OK wnt coach, and nothing more than OK international coach, you'd continue to push an absolutely nonsensical idea we (fans/spectators) simply can't understand the genius of someone who's intentionally failing to establish a coherent style for their team during non tournament football...

Short answer... NO.

I'd typically address what you've said here, but I read so many ridiculous takes, I'll send it to the wnt thread instead.

 

Excuse me...

And what is this list of imaginary metric's we're using to establish this narrative... as the last time I checked, media/new media presence has nothing to do with the actually depth of quality with any football league.

I mean, beyond Barca, what the hell have Spain's league clubs done...? Beyond Chelsea reaching a final ONCE, what have WSL clubs done...? The only way you or anyone could come to your conclusion here, is if you've literally never seen other European women's leagues, or believe UEFA competition between female clubs only existed from 2020-21 forward...

 

You love repeating these same handful of examples lol, but will also actively ignore the nature of this league being very different to a newly manufactured WSL/NWSL; with it unlikely to EVER be like the NWSL, regardless of potential efforts for owners to try an introduce fake parity rules across the worlds best football leagues.

Like you can even admit (this being pretty shocking to me lol), a lot of Europe's best players end up gaining a healthy football education having spent time within the Frauen-Bundesliga as youngsters; but I feel you incorrectly go and connect limited professional environments, to somehow correlate with a lower quality of player... something which I feel simply isn't true.

A league where a former Champions League winning Potsdam is now going to be relegated, leaving little SGS Essen as the last women's only club in the top division, you can already see significant change is already happening in Germany. But the final form of this change also unlikely to ever reflect what you believe "good enough" compared to North American sensibilities...

 

I tried to find information on this... and I feel like it's still very unclear what makes some nations have players remain professional into their mid-late 30's, while other established nations see their female players retire much sooner.

Sweden, not exactly known for having European club footballs most financially incentive women's pro league anymore, still remain at the top of UEFA's wnt's for possessing the highest average age. Surely highlighting how there's probably more social factors at play here, than simply believing this instantly changes with every Euro club paying more money...

Germany having far better professional environments for their female players now, than they ever did during the wnt's peak. Yet we see the German wnt not coming close to reflecting the older player theory your always suggesting.

The culture of the German wnt clearly different in ways that will probably see it's mature players always retire earlier than rivals... regardless of the Bundesliga increasing it's level of professionalism.

 

Making the move for Hagel even more understandable, Ralf Kellermann openly reveals Blomqvist, Bremer, and Roord, are all set to leave Wolfsburg in the summer. And after the news Bayern are actively pursuing Harder, as I've previously speculated... could this mean we're about to see Bayern let another one of it's German international core go to their league rivals...

A young Lohmann is likely still extremely loyal to Bayern, and unlikely to leave for a few more years... But following the departures of Hendrich, and then Hegering, I'm starting to get the feeling a prime Magull in a similar increasingly diminished role for Bayern, might be the next player two move between Germany's top two clubs.

Bayern no longer using a typical wide forwards/wingers system anymore, with their coach apparently having no interest in deploying a CAM within this new system either. Knowing Roord likely to leave the league in the summer, and Bayern taking some of their domestic talent for granted, I honestly wouldn't be shocked to see Magull making a move back to her old club next season...

 

@hotjam2 your not running away, or deflecting attention towards a new topic. I'm still waiting for your reply to this....

 

when you first posted the threat, probably the Bundesliga was the best league in Europe,! but right now things have changed a bit, examples

current 3rd place, Frankfurt not only upset by Ajax in early rounds of the Champion's League, but as well by div 2 Leipzig(who dont count as div one)

Bayern's loss to the unheralded Meixcan club; this game might of not been important to Bundi fans, but the rest of the world was watching. And then ironically the English commentator kept saying over & over' "Bayern's trying to sell it's brand of soccer to the world"

major stars of last season, Cerci, Wieder, Gwinn so far never returning to back to action to go along with off & on injuries to obvious faves Dallmann, Lohmann, Kuver

and then, the saddest part of all; what Wolfsburg done to the beloved heroine of last year's squad, Tabea Wassmuth; I mean last seaon nearly 30 goals in all competitions, reduced to an 15-20 minutes, as an bench winger, even though Stroot doesn't believe in wingers anymore!

 

if it's aobut Lohmann. didn't I wrote previously that I think Lohmann should start over Magull?
but whatever she accomplished two years ago, please note that she's had nearly an half dozen injuries since then.. Has this significently slowed down her progression? I mean we've seen once promising Bremer & Lotzen careers take an nose dive after an flury of injuries

based on the most recent GER/Sweden friendly, they would need an simliar Lohmann vs Barca perfromance to have any chance at winning the WC

well so Alexandra Popp recently came out with this statement; "the English League is the Role Model to follow" but yeah, keep on telling us that you know more than Popp...

right now there's four WSL clubs vying for top spot, with Chelsea & Arsenal only in 3rd & 4th place. But they've gone even deeper than that; just go look at the roster at the Spurs who only in 10th place
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with it's lineup of well known veterans, it's obvious that it's an fully funded professional team. I don't necessarily believe in watching 11 players from eleven different country's play, but looking at the interationals over at the Bundi, minus WOB & BM, it's non stop 2nd tier Austrian's & Swiss that litter the rosters of the bottom ten.

well, okay, drink the Kool Aid about Marozsan or that Germany's going to win the WC with the same lineup they had at Euros, but gentle reminder that I pretty much accurately predicted the out come at the last WC, whereas you were so disappointed(since it didn’t follow your own narrative)with the results that you disappeared for 2 years from this message board!

My book this time; if Germany's going to win, they got to make drastic changes in their lineup & tactics. At times MVT seem to know this, but at other times, she don't

 

Damn.... in the rest of Kellermann's interview, he states Hagel the only major signing Wolfsburg intends to make for next season, with any future additions right now likely to be rebuilding squad depth/bench options...

 

Yeah, finally... this makes sense lol. This is why you promote a new best player in the world every week, with a list of random young prospects on a constant rotation to become as you call them... "future goats"...

I know this is a reply to Lohmann's post, but seriously... your way to reactionary to be making any genuine tier list on the overall quality of an entire league, as these things happen over years, not months, or weeks...

This is like genuine MMA level math lol... Using this method, I'm pretty sure you could also argue the Eredivisie the best league in the world, or Leipzig next seasons potential 1.Bundesliga champions...

 

lol...

Your Trolling far too hard now.

Huh...?

 

What does any of this have to do with the overall quality of a 12 team promotion/relegation based league system...? OK.. lets just use the WUCL as a measurement tool...

Lyon have won 6 of the last 7 UWCL's.... Over the past 13 years, Lyon also winning 8 UWCL's..., with those 13 years of the reformed Women's Champions League seeing the Bundesliga produce 3 different clubs providing 4 titles, with Spain winning 1 thanks to Barcelona.

But with all this, your claiming the relatively new WSL, and the Spanish league, the 2 best competitions in Europe now, all due to their results produced over the first half of this ONE season...? Meaning we all have to ignore facts like Wolfsburg on their own, producing a better overall record than England's best clubs combined...

I know the Bundesliga having an almost nonexistent global media presence, and the horrendous leadership of the wnt, would make it very easy for people to dismiss the quality of German football. But damn... if this is the way your going to asses the overall quality of a league, why aren't you/others putting France above everyone right now... oh wait, I think I know why...

 

I don't recall this happening, and honestly it's not the main point that's waiting to be addressed...

You aren't going to sit here and talk about Dallmann's supposed greatness, while dismissing everything, and anything, other superior players (like Lohmann) will produce.

I've literally shown you key facts concerning the impressive nature of Lohmann as a driving force in mid-field, but you jump straight back to the BS narrative she's done nothing more than remain injured; and this when we've all just witnessed more evidence of Lohmann's excellence, during Bayern's 3-1 victory over Barca in December...

 

What are you talking about...? Stop deflecting and get to the point lol... show me ANY little piece of evidence of Dallmann excelling on the elite stage... ANY. Find literally ONE example of Dallmann dominating a game Vs an elite opponent; club, or wnt.

And this knowing Lohmann is another Oberdorf level talent, making it truly ridiculous to see you ignore what these players will display as two genuinely elite youngsters, to instead selectively favor relentlessly questioning their health...

So examples please... instead of dodging reality again, show some damn examples where Dallmann relevant to any debate over the games elite players; like it's very easy to do with Lohmann, or Oberdorf...

 

I've never questioned the motivations or objectives of Popp, but I've defiantly commended her, and various German players, for their more logical and sensible attitudes towards pushing for the improvement of the conditions provided to the wnt players, and the wider domestic league.

So as usual, I imagine a huge element of context would be very useful here, as it would likely reveal exactly what Popp was actually referring to. With me being pretty sure it was concerning the superior WSL media presence (TV), and how the Bundesliga could learn to improve their future contracts.

 

We'll all see what this title race actually means for the quality of WSL top 2 clubs in next seasons UWCL...; however... every time I see this leagues lower/mid table teams, the football on display isn't very impressive.

Tactically, the lower ranked WSL still often appears no more than a series of chaotic, disorganized, undisciplined, back and forth contests (remember how Stanway appeared reckless in the WSL..). I also find it amusing to see you claim Germany's foreign talent pool of a lower quality too, when the instant these same players move to clubs outside of Germany, everyone instantly claims them to be amazing...

Case in point, not only is Germany's #2 GK or potentially #3 GK placed above Germany's #1 because she simply plays for Chelsea, I'm seeing your so called 2nd tier Austrain/Swiss talents leave to play in England, only for them to be heralded among the worlds best too lol.

The levels of truly fraudulent hypocrisy on display here...

 

Yeah, that's your nickname, we know. No need to spell it so loud.

 

Lohmann’s goal must of send goosebumps to you & batfink, lol

most importantly for Bayern ahead of the CL is that Magull, Tainara, Dam(that)Jocvic, Rudelic are back/Simon still missing though

What ‘world class Austrian/Swiss? The only squad that some is is current 4th place Arsenal. Since then Zinsburger been exposed for numerous errors/Wienrother, Maritz Walti are part time starters who probably only switched from Bundi do to the way better pay

Going back to current WSL 10th place Spurs , didn’t you see the roster they had? = at least 12 current/former internationals from pretty decent NT’s. Poster Blissett mentioned just last summer that “Iawbuchi was arguably Japan’s best player”. Do you r

so you blame bad coaching/tactics in the WSL. Do you know that Brighton let go after only a few games your beloved coach Scheuer?

btw…off topic, but calling out Blissett, do you know that in Hasegawa(Man C) you got the potential Nadeshiko’s best player ever?

I’ll take this as an compliment from the guy that wrote’Barca’s going to murder Bayern about one minute before game time

No let’s not use winning the CL as a measuring tool. Don’t you realize by now buying the rest of their league’s talent, they ruining their own respective NT’s chances at the major summer tournies? 2 out of 2 shows that already

 

This the exact moment when I realized Lohmann was a unique talent...

Sydney Lohmann vs PSG | UWCL 21-22

Lohmann, who had only recently returned from injury, put in a massive performance throughout the 120 minutes. She was the primary driving force for Bayern from midfield & helped advance possession into attacking third with her powerful runs. pic.twitter.com/Woon7E4Irk

— Yash (@Odriozolite) March 31, 2022

Sydney Lohmann - POWER - vs PSG (Away) 21/22
Likes and RTs appreciated #PSGFCB #UWCL pic.twitter.com/YGrneWWHtZ

— Livia 🇵🇸🎲🔴⚪️ (@liviamanke_) April 1, 2022

Not scoring random goals Vs lower ranked league opponents...

 

Yeah... and it should be interesting to see what happens when Bayern's coach can actually roster a healthy squad for this stage of the UWCL...

 

Hey... your the one here calling out a particular group of Bundesliga's foreign talent for supposedly being no better than 2nd tier; yeah... YOU lol.

Which is why I'm calling out the blatant hypocrisy on show with this subject, having seen you suggest this fallacy, as my mind still fresh with English opinion during the Euro's trying to create a reality Zinsburger genuinely considered one of the best GK's in Europe lol.

Oh, and should we forget how Walti placed as high as #78 within a pretty major English news outlets best female players list...; making me believe if Ewa Pajor ever took her talent to the WSL, she'd go from a underrated nobody, to instantly see her status magically elevated into being considered a legit top 20 world class player.