2022-23 Roster Movement Thread

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  1. kcfooty

    kcfooty Member

    Feb 16, 2011
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  2. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
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    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So, re Ferro, the rumor yesterday was Panathiokoa (almost certainly spelled wrong) and transfermarkt even gave it a pretty high likelihood of happening, 53 percent. But the window is closed and it does not appear to have happened, so I'd think this is where SKC might come in. We can still sign him, while other pursuers cannot
     
  3. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Also, regarding Ferro, about whom I am now obsessing because, well, defense,Montpellier signed a similar CB from Toulouse, but they signed him on a free as he was six months from the end of his contract.
    This would seem to say that while they reportedly had a bid in for Ferro, they were asking for no fee and Benfica were asking for something. however, at this point, Ferro's market price has been established, and this summer it will be lower as he will be in the last transfer market he will have under Benfica contract before he's free to sign with other clubs next winter.
    The Dutch club doesn't seem to intend to sign him, clearly, is not playing him and appears to have replaced him in the depth chart with Isi.
    The Greek and French clubs went for other options, though apparently made serious moves to sign him, so looks to be a matter of price.
    Benfica will want him off their books, asap.
    If he is a worthwhile player, and this narrative leaves that very much as a maybe, this is now a very good moment to swoop in and get him at a rock bottom price.
    As for wages, the current wages at Benfica for starters are $750,000 and above, squadies around of below $400,000. Ferro is on $833,000, which makes him somewhere around Benfica's 7th highest earner, and if Vitesse is picking up his entire salary, he's their 4th highest earner.
     
  4. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
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    Sporting Kansas City
    Didn't you say he's on a free? Does that impact when you can sign in other leagues, like it does for us?

    Also not all European windows are closed. Like, for example, can't he still "come to Besiktas"?
     
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  5. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
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    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I don't think he can transfer from one club to another, period, outside of the window. If he's cut loose, without a club, he can sign outside of the window but he won't be rostered until the season ends, so he could sign, but not play. This might not be an issue, as right now is signed, signed again as he's loaned, and not playing.
    But good point on Turkey, and Austria is open for another day. And the Phillipines are open for a while yet.
    I should have said he didn't sign with those with whom there were rumors. The exception to that being SKC, for which there was a rumor, but who still can sign him.
     
  6. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
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    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Vermes basically confirmed today a CB signing is coming.

     
  7. drhoades00

    drhoades00 Member

    Aug 13, 2010
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    Sporting Kansas City
    Is that the most Vermes quote of the off-season? Like...just say its something the team is working on but it isn't complete yet.

    It almost sounds like its not a definite thing yet but its something they hope they can get done. I hope I'm wrong.
     
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  8. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
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    I can't tell if he's hedging or if he's being super blase because he feels it's obvious a CB is coming...
     
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  9. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
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    Union Berlin
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    Germany
    It also completely covers the bases and so verges on the useless quote.
    This signing could be a bunt single (one of the non-rostered folks in camp, like, say, thedraft pick who has been playing in preseason) to a home run ( Dayot Upamecano, as he was mentioned here earlier) and anything in between.
    I mean, SKC has 3 CBs. of course another is gonna be signed, but will it be a presumed starter, or are the presumed starters now in camp?

    Also, edit to add: I know nothing about baseball, so I picked those two things as opposite ends of the spectrum. they may not be. I have no idea
     
  10. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
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    Union Berlin
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    Germany
    Huh, shouldn't we be expecting 2 CB signings? Or are we seriously going into a season in which we finally return Walter to his best position, the 8, only to suggest that if there are injuries, and our history says there will be, our only dedicated 6 will move to CB and Walter will be back to the 6.
    Also, something to think about, this Ferro character in the rumors, WTF happened with him? I mean, before the pandemic, he was Upamencano. He was being tracked by ManU and Arsenal and Liverpool (and they are not stupid, like say ManU, who are stupid) were negotiating with Benfica on a possible Euro 100 million, record breaking for Liverpool and globally for a defender, transfer. As many do, it collapsed and post pandemic, the CB would almost became the most expensive defender in footie history and is now entering his prime can't hold a spot at Benfica or Vitesse and he looks to be on a free and may be heading to SKC?
    It's kind of an Adu story, on steroids (there was never any report that major clubs were negotiating bank breaking transfers for Adu). I suppose, with Adu, we know what happened. The US really, really wanted a Pele and then Pele said "there's one, Adu" and we all went batshit crazy over a 14 year old kid, who, to be fair, had a couple truly brilliant pieces to his game, though to go with some really awful ones.
    But Ferro is Portuguese. They know superstars. They have a lot of them. They don't need a Pele, because they think CRon was better. Yet in this culture, Ferro was annointed. And then he really, really collapsed. Why?
     
  11. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
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    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they did sign 2 would it be any different than a few years ago when Ilie started at CB over someone like Graham Smith? I mean they're not going to sign 2 CBs of the caliber that would keep Radoja from dropping to CB. Hell, I've accepted at this point that they aren't going to sign 1 and that Fontas/Ford is the starting pairing at this point.
     
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  12. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    United States
    I agree, if they sign a second, it will be to loan them to SKC2 ala Rad.
     
  13. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
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    Sporting Kansas City
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  14. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
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    We usually get left off lists like this. I mean LAFC doesn't have any real needs like many teams do.
     
  15. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
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    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I had the exact same thought reading that. All i can figure is that they're all on board with Doyle thinking Agada is a Golden Boot winner this year, and SKC won't need defense.
    Of our three CBs, one is 33 with a really impressive list of injuries that have caused him to miss at least most of many of his seasons, one is 27 and has missed a couple entire seasons through injury and the third is 21.
    while I think it would be wonderful for Ford and Fontas to both start and go 90 in 28+ games this season, I'm not sure history makes that a strong bet. Now, if they are injured, but time it well, Voloder steps in and gets good experience and probably does all right and all is well. But what if they don't sync their injury cycles?
     
  16. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
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    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been saying this for a while. He's clearly been signaling Ford/Fontas as the starters.

    I'm glad you have reached acceptance. It's the fifth stage of grief management. We're all collectively grieving Besler/Opara and the days when SKC had the ability to win 1-0.

    Collectively, as SKC fans, we should all have reached acceptance by now. Besler/Opara was a long time ago. The CB situation has waffled between tragedy and comedy since.
     
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  17. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
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    Union Berlin
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    Germany
    I'm still in the bargaining phase, as in I really hope they're bargaining, so I guess that's actually denial
     
  18. drhoades00

    drhoades00 Member

    Aug 13, 2010
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    Sporting Kansas City
    If we have CB injuries maybe Roger could slide back and/or Ben slide over?

    I think no matter if we sign another CB or not, we're going to end up with some make-shift lineups more often than we'd like in the back this year.
     
  19. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
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    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Been there for a while just haven't been public about it, too much pessimism without me adding to it. The defense is clearly going to be the weak point this year, the question is can the midfield help compensate and give them a little more help. Because last year when KC made their run the midfield especially went to shit when Espinoza went off the field and we can't rely on Espinoza to play 34 games.

    At this point I don't even expect the 4th CB to be one that'll challenge any of the 3 already on the roster, it'll be a Graham Smith/Kaveh Rad level player who will spend more time with SKCII. Hell it'll probably be Rindov.

    I mean Sweat speculated as much in his interview with Robert over at TBT.

    https://www.thebluetestament.com/20...ty-ben-sweat-on-the-loose-and-on-the-edge-mls

    Combine that with Doyle's comments in the depth chart piece and it seems clear that word at least in MLS HQ would seem to be that KC isn't getting a starting caliber CB.
     
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  20. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
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    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    True, but I get the sense they at the MLS site don't spend a lot of time digging for details on SKC. they just about never break SKC news, and given their natural advantages that's probably because they don't ask many questions about what is going on with the club. my guess as to why they don't ask to many questions is that they don't really care these days. The SKC narrative is less than thrilling to a national audience these days.
    This is why, IMO, TBT is more vital in SKC land than some similar sites are to their markets.
     
  21. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know how to change that? Win, make the playoffs, make a run in the playoffs. If you're not winning AND not developing young players to get into U17, U20 national teams on a consistent basis, why should the rest of the country care?

    All that being said, completely agree with the TBT coverage. I hope they find a way to continue to provide a similar level of coverage.
     
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  22. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    True, but nobody wins all the time. the chiefs are winning now and attracting attention, but I lived in KC for a couple decades during which there was very little national discussion about them. I think that national sports writers will always go for the easy interest story, and the easiest way to attract the most eyeballs to focus on the cities/regions where more people live. This year, there will be an easy SKC narrative in the StL matchups, those will be covered quite heavily. And if Doyle is correct and Agada makes a good golden boot run, that will attract stories. But if we, the LAG and NYCFC all finish on 60 pts this year, I have a really good guess about which of those clubs has a fifth of the attention paid by national writers.
     
  23. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean it's MLS as a whole for the guys at MLSsoccer.com. It's mile wide, inch deep coverage because they have to cover the whole league so they pick low hanging fruit talking points. Especially for the A) teams that don't make the playoffs B) the teams that aren't in the major markets.
     
  24. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's just facts of life problems, not an MLS or SKC issue. If SKC ownership wanted to change it, they'd do something about it with regards to winning/pumping out prospects. Sell some guys to Europe like Philly is doing ... that will get some easy stories as well, and doesn't cost you a huge $$ amount in DP signings.
     
  25. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
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    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SKC received tremendous attention from MLS Soccer when they almost signed Ronaldo.
     
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