FSG selling Liverpool

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  1. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
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    Liverpool FC
    A couple of reliable journalists have reported that Liverpool are ready to spend 200-250 million this summer. We will have to see if that actually happens. If it does, I think that is enough to return us to the top. I don’t buy the idea that we can’t compete with FSG as our owners. Liverpool rose to being literally the best team in the world during their ownership. Just 8 months ago we were on the verge of winning ALL the trophies.
     
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  2. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
    But things have changed, no? The requirements for being at the top from 2023 forward are a lot steeper than they were in 2019. And we were running on fumes at the end of last season, the cracks were already showing. I think FSG are fine business owners who have done a great job during their tenure. I just don't see entities like them being able to compete with the Musks and oil monarchs of the world - because that's the competition for top 4 going forward.
     
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  3. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Liverpool FC
    Yes.

    And furthermore, if investing in Liverpool there is a difference between buying "new" shares or "old" shares.
     
  4. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Information is coming out - people connected to the game have indicated that both Edwards and Ward are leaving because they could see that FSG has no interest in actually funding a rebuild and that their model had run its course.

    (yeah yeah it's all hearsay - but it's pretty reasonable).
     
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  5. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
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    Liverpool FC
    In the same time period, Jurgen Klopp signed a new contract, signing up for a rebuild.
     
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  6. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    #156 newterp, Jan 29, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2023
    shame isn't it - having such an asset and giving him just enough tools to construct a small house with a one car garage instead of a mansion.

    Edit - and the FSG has put Liverpool up for sale in that same time too. Probably blindsided Klopp.
     
  7. B.A.

    B.A. Member+

    Sep 12, 2007
    IL
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    how much did they spend on forwards over the past two years?

    and how much did they spend on midfielders?

    ******** them.
     
  8. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess their weird philosophy was "we bought you enough midfielders - Keita, ox, Fabinho and Thiago - you need to make do with them - not our issue they are injury prone or have fallen off a cliff".

    (or something odd like that - as I can't figure out what else the thought process is).
     
  9. Dunlop

    Dunlop Member

    May 15, 2007
    Boston, MA
    Fact is, they don't have any new revenue streams. Dropped a boatload on new Anfield Road expansion, and FSG said from the beginning that they were NOT going to do what Hicks and Gillette did.
    But when you are a sports group competing against Clubs who are owned by GOVERNMENTS with billions to spend, and a league and confederation who refuse to even consider ANY controls on transfer or salary limits, it's time to cash in on your investment.
    I'm from Boston. I watched what FSG did with the Sox. They got the perfect mix of talent and money. They won 4 trophies in 18 years. But they also finished dead last twice.
    Because American sports have salary caps and revenue sharing, no team ends up with ALL the best players. (MC, PSG) Every team has a chance to win it all.

    How the hell can Bundesliga or Serie A fans put up with that nonsense???
    Juve won 8 years in a row?
    BM 10 years in a row?

    Leicester City winning in 2016 was the best thing that ever happened to English football.
    Sadly, not going to happen again in my lifetime.
     
  10. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    FSG have £10bn reason to make Liverpool sale decision that John Henry favours - Liverpool Echo

    Haven't heard this before:

    The idea of 'Premflix' isn't new. At present the Premier League has broadcast deals with Sky, BT Sport and Amazon Prime Video domestically, as well as a long list of partners internationally who broadcast Premier League games. For consumers that has meant having to subscribe to multiple content platforms in order to watch their team, and there are questions over how long this way of selling rights will continue and when the push back will start to bring things all in one place, especially given how frustrated consumers have become over the price point.
     
  11. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll post it here too as it's a good summary of where we are not so all of a sudden:

    "We’ve become an absolute mess and I believe some people are either refusing to acknowledge it or just can’t see past Klopp as the messiah.

    The playing staff hasn’t been turned over anywhere near enough in the last handful of years. The intensity is gone. We’re one of the least physically capable teams in the league. Almost last in fact in terms of sprints. A couple of midfielders isn’t going to be the difference between where we were and where we are now in that respect. That’s delusional thinking.

    The recruitment situation is a mess. Edwards resigned. Fair enough, it can happen after a period where he may want a new challenge. Julian Ward steps up and then… resigns after less than a year. What should be a dream job and the pinnacle of his career and he wants out that quickly. Except he’s not the only one, several other important cogs in the wheel don’t want any of it either. Hello guys, alarm bells should be ringing. Pair that with rumblings of an assistant manager taking on more tasks and getting more of a say and that’s a huge concern. Assistant managers don’t do this at top clubs. Especially as he’s the one who puts on the training sessions and led to us using some of the worst tactics I’ve seen at Liverpool in a decade or more. Think of earlier in the season when Alexander-Arnold was practically playing everywhere.

    The ownership is a mess. Nobody has a clue where the club stands and we get some journalists saying Man United have complicated the process. That hardly sounds promising does it. Premier League football teams are highly desirable assets and 2 being up for sale at once is unparalleled. I find it impossible to believe there wouldn’t be 2 buyers for them both. Unless the owners are asking for some stupid conditions to be met. If they’re asking for too much that’s fine but put up then and provide the money we need before we start rotting.

    In short there’s so much more wrong with this team and club than merely a couple of midfielders and if Jurgen Klopp wasn’t managing Liverpool Football Club I think everybody would be worried. I think everybody should be even though he is the manager. I think our days of success with Klopp are on life support now. If anybody can fix it he can but things need to change and immediately.
    "
     
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  12. speker

    speker Member+

    May 16, 2009
    Canada
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    Liverpool FC
    Spot on.
     
  13. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
    What an ignominious way to end to a great period for the club. Very, very sad. New, deep pockets ownership can't get here soon enough; FSG have raised the white flag.
     
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  14. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

    Sep 20, 2013
    NorCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Where is this coming from? :eek:
     
  15. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    just a poster on RAWK that has summed up the situation quite well.
     
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  16. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
  17. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
    San Francisco
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    Liverpool FC

    Why?
    Aren't Spurs and Manure and Arsenal competing at present for top 4 this year (2023)??
     
  18. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Yes - because each of their owners in now putting in additional money into the team because they know they need to compete.

    Hell - ManU has been doing this for decades.
     
  19. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
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    May 17, 2002
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So now redbird capital are supposedly interested in upping their minority stake by another 20 percent, potentially raising up to £1 billion. Not sure whether this, 1) is going to actually happen or is just wishful thinking, or 2) even if it does, whether this would free up significant funds for transfers or just be used to pay off short term loans taken out to pay for infrastructure upgrades, or used to finance other RSG holdings like the Red Sox, or the Pittsburg Penguins (neither have performed well recently, need roster upgrades, and both also have demanding fans that are just as vocal as LFC fans)
     
  20. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Last term Red Bird invested, it was in FSG not LFC. This time would they be buying a percentage of Liverpool?
     
  21. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Even if they are buying a % of LFC, it depends if it is new shares or old shares.
     
  22. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    The Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, is interested in buying Manchester United. He values the club below the Glazer family’s £6bn price and there is recognition Uefa may have to agree to a regulation change as the country’s ruler already owns Paris Saint-Germain.

    The emir purchased PSG in 2011 through Qatar Sports Investment. Current Uefa rules do not allow clubs with the same owners to face each other in one of its competitions, so a Qatar-owned United and Qatar-owned PSG would not be allowed to compete in a Champions League tie should such a fixture arise.

    While the purchase of United is being explored, it is understood those driving the Qatar interest are conscious of the Uefa rules and a solution is being sought. This could include trying to persuade Uefa to consider the possibility of adjusting or changing its regulations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...terested-in-buying-manchester-united-for-45bn
     
  23. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Why? The existing rule makes total sense.

    Unless the brown paper bag weighs more than the sense. Which of course it does as sense has no weight. So change away!
     
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  24. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

    Sep 20, 2013
    NorCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    ManU are wary of getting caught, like ManCity, of breaking the rules...

    So it makes total sense for them to change the rules in order to not break them...:oops::sneaky::unsure:
     
  25. oikos

    oikos Member+

    Feb 3, 2010
    Glastonbury, CT
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think FSG's motivation is revenue streams. I think they are more interested in asset building. They bought an asset for 300m and it's now worth between 4-5 billion in a very short time. That asset valuation is in part contingent on how the team fairs. Nobody is going to pay a lot of money to sponsor a team in 10th place and out of the CL. They'll be fewer shirt sales and the loss of CL revenue, less PL revenue, and lower player valuations. It's in their on self interest for Liverpool to perform at it's highest level.
    That being said it is worrying that so many top people at the club are jumping ship. I don't think they are leaving due to a possible sale. If they sold the club over the last few years, what new owner would come in and make sweeping changes to something that has been running so efficiently.
    I don't know what's going on upstairs at the club but if anyone on the inside puts out a book, I would stand in line for an early copy
     

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