If it were brought up as a retort to that, then I’d have agreed! I don’t think the Higuain miss was nearly as bad as people say—it was a volley just on the edge of the box. I suspect the xG on that one was low too (and actually I’ve even specifically mentioned that when saying the Messi chance wasn’t that good of one). The way Messi’s miss has been brought up in this thread was not in relation to someone else saying Higuain’s miss cost Messi the World Cup, but rather just people saying Messi missed an easy chance that he should have scored. My response to that was that I didn’t think it was a particularly great chance and thought the xG likely wasn’t very high on it. And that article validates that—showing that the xG on that chance was below 10%.
Yeah I think it’s very unclear. I think the most likely explanations for what “runs” are is either: (1) dribbling by someone who does not attempt to tackle you; or (2) runs that progress the ball at least a certain distance. As you say, I don’t think we’ll ever know though. We do know “dribbles and runs” is a super different stat from today’s definition of “dribbles” though.
Now the run or progressive run is that a player carrying the ball forward at least 10 metres without losing the ball. Don't know what the definition was in like 2001 though.
I have no hate for Messi, but his fanboys are tieing. He is not a classic playmaker and that has been easily demonstrated. There is ample material in the thread looking at his positioning and role and they are not that of the main playmakerof the tram nor analogous to guys like Zidane (hence the comparisons)
you dont have to prove put a messi goal like rivellino and youll change my opinion( im nothing put maradona , cruyff zico van basten etc) put only goal messi did better than rivellino thats the reason you put a music video because messi IS NOT A GENIUS and HE MAKE NORMAL THINGS hes a NORMAL PLAYER with a lot of golden balls bought by the media lol
AHHHHAAAAA CARLITO I LOVE YOUUUU LOL TKS FOR PUTTING "EL MAYOR JUGADOR PECHO FRIO DE LA HISTORIA DEL FUTBOL" IN YOUR PLACE LOL THE "LAUNDRY" STILL POSTING NUMBERS AND STATISTICS AND FAKE GOLDEN BALLS LIFE GOES ON.... LOL
Normal player is most unfair. But I agree that that Messi lacks a certain degree of creativity in his general play as well as in his range of types of goals.
cruyff change football as player and as coach pele change the game - most complete player maradona alone wihout great player by his side wins a world cup alone and make napoli a meaninglesss team champion a lot of times challenging clubs with a lot of money(milan juventus and inter) with a superior team than napoli (gullit platini laudrup matthaus etc) falcao make roma champion alone and messi what hiS legacy to the sport????? plz tell me plz young generation prove to me his guy is genius without numbers and statistics plz im curious to discover if this guy is a pure genius the four four two magazine put this guy better than pele maradona cruyff what his legacy??? he can make napoli champion the same team maradona alone did champion? do you guy really believe it? yu guys really believe messi in osasuna or in lecce with a lot of NORMAL PLAYERS can make these teams TOP EUROPEAN CLUBS? Are you serious? you all MUST change your minds all these guy have is TOTALLY FAKE
MESSI DO NOT HAVE THAT "GOLDEN AURA" AND ONLY SPECIAL PLAYERS BORN WWITH IT THIS IS A GENIUS PLAYER AND THIS AT 05:54 MINUTES MESSI IS A MEDIA PRODUCT TO MAKE MONEY
Clown tricks won't make you more creative. Watch Antony of Man utd then tell me if this guy is a clown or a creative footballer. Johan Cruyff: "Playing football is very simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is". Messi is the ideal of this. You prefer clown tricks then that's your taste. And what's problem with Messi not a classic playmaker??? A modern playmaker is playmaker, a classic playmaker is playmaker. If you don't count modern playmaker then that's your issue.
From what you posted i know you are a boy that doesn't even hit puberty. Come back here a few years later you will realize how silly you are.
YOUR POSTS SHOWS YOU IS A YOUNG GUY AND DO NOT SURPRISE ME(PUTTING MEMES IS TIPICAL OF YOUNG GENERATION) ILL NOT LOSING MY TIME WITH SOMEBODY NOT SAW MARADONA PLAY FOOTBALL IN HIS PRIME AND PUT MESSI AS BARCELONA FAN BIGGER THAN MARADONA MARADONA IS MILES AHEAD FROM MESSI IN THE FIELD AS FOOTBALL PLAYER AS "MIDIA STAR" MESSI IS BETTER THAN ROBERT DE NIRO. LOL AND LISTEN DO NOT FORGET TO POST HERE MESSI MAKING A GOAL AS RIVELLINO IM WAITING YOU POST WITH MESSI MAKING "GENIUS STUFFS " IF YOU POST IT HERE YOU WIN OK AND YOULL CHANGE MY MIND BUT IT NOT WILL HAPPEN ...BECAUSE MESSI IS A NORMAL FOOTBALL PLAYER AND A GUY WITH A LOT OF SUSPECT GOLDEN BALLS (HE BOUGHT IT ALL)
YEP AND NEVER FORGET IT HES WEAK AND HES A NORMAL PLAYER PRODUCT OF THE MIDIA BERGKAMP AND ZIDANE IN THE FIELD AND IN THE KEY MOMENTS ARE MILES AHEAD FROM MESSI
TELL ME WHAT CRUYFF GAME YOU SAW IN THE 70S AND IN THE 80S??? PLZ DO NOT WRITE THE BERGKAMP FAREWELL . LOL CRUYFF WAS 60S YRS OLD LOL
HEY GUYS IM DO NOT WANT TO CREATE CONFUSION OK. BUT THESE ARGUMENTS OF THIS YOUNG GENERATION(THE BIGGEST PART HERE) IS HILARIOUS MAN AND DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE A LOT OF NUMBERS AND STATISTICS ITS VERY SAD EUROPEAN METHOD TO TELL FOR EXAMPLE MAURO SILVA IS BETTER THAN FALCAO AND CLODOALDO HEY.....PLZ TURN THE PAGE ALL THESE NUMBERS DO NOT CHANGE MY MIND IN THE LAST WC MBAPPE WAS SUPERIOR THAN MESSI IN ALL THE KEY MOMENTS BUT THE MIDIA WANTED TO GIVE A WC CUP TO MESSI AND THEY DONE IT MESSI PERFORMANCE IN THE LAST WC IS NOT SIMILARY AS MARADONA 1985(MILES AHEAD IN THE CONDITIONS MARADONA HAS IN THAT MOMENT) .
WAITING THE BARCELONA FAN WHICH NEVER SAW CRUYFF AND MARADONA PLAY PUT A VIDEO TO ME WHEN MESSI MAKE A GOAL AS RIVELLINO(OR BETTER THAN HIM) THE MEME GUY...
Boomers are hilarious. I remember my uncle (who is born in 1953) giving similar arguments back in the early-mid 90s against Maradona when he was about to retire and people were assessing his career. "He's a regular player, he's not great! It's just marketing and media hype. Bochini, Zico, Cruyff, Rivelino, Garrincha were all way better. Pele was a hundred... no, no a thousand times better! These people don't know anything about football!" And YouTube is a wonderful resource because now we can judge for ourselves how great these players were. Before, we had to rely on old people's memories and stories about these players, and the odd newspaper or magazine report. Now we can use those, PLUS actual footage. By the way, I was born in 1981 so I got to see Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Zidane, and Cristiano Ronaldo in their primes. Messi is so far ahead of all of them it's crazy.
We all saw these players, you are not the exception here. There is no honest assessment which can lead to the conclusion that Messi is "so far ahead" of Cristiano who was his contemporary and we can compare more easily, so I encourage you to revisit your opinion with a more moderate temperament .