Ukraine v Russia II

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  1. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
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    Vanuatu
    Supposedly one of the involved units was one that was mauled north of Kiev, retrofitted to be mauled again.
     
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  2. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    If true, this is more dangerous than the Ukrainian army will ever be. Warlordism. It is pretty stupid for a nation to purposefully pick it. Most nations unintentionally fall into it.
     
  3. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    This reminds me more of a dystopian cyberpunk future where corporations have their own armed forces. Not sure if that's better or worse, frankly.

    Now I'm imagining Elon Musk with his own PMC.
     
  4. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    Now I'm starting to wonder which US companies would field the most effective paramilitary forces. I can see Amazon putting machine gun nests on their delivery vans or arming the planned delivery drones, and Tesla can turn their cars into kamikaze terror weapons (I mean, more than "full self driving" already does that).
     
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  5. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    UPS with their brown camouflaged trucks are already halfway there.
     
  6. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    Amazon, 100%. Modern warfare is mostly logistics. If they can deliver me a printer cartridge in less than two hours, they can put an anti-tank missile through my window no sweat.

    I mean, they know everything about you already. If Amazon wanted you dead, you'd have no chance.
     
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  7. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
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    Elon is an ahole and the reason I dumped my Tesla
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    Seems a load of Leopard 1s are now being delivered.

     
  9. It's not from the future.
    The first capitalist company also was the first to have their own army/navy and forts, the Dutch VOC.
     
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  10. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    The English East India Company preceded the VOC in founding by 2 years. While both corporations had armed forces, neither nation allowed their armies to operate in their home countries like Russia is doing.
     
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  11. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    The current understanding is that most Russian oligarchs are making their own private armies, or have done so already.
     
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  12. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

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    That's not concerning at all.
     
  13. Note the remark " first capitalist company". In the East India Company wikipages it is mentioned the Dutch VOC is the first public traded company in the world, a fact recognized by everybody with knowledge in these matters.
     
  14. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    This is an interesting development. I’m surprised Putin is allowing this…which may be indicative of his power slipping. He had the power of the state over the oligarchs. While they may be able to hire trigger pullers by the thousands…a coup by force against a state that still has the backing of its military is near impossible. But if the oligarchs are able to fund infantry…and pay off the military for heavy weapons…Putin will be hanging from a crane by the end of 2023.
     
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  15. marek

    marek Member+

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    Jun 27, 2000
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    good thing then that Victor Bout is a free man again, he can make sure these these private armies are adequately armed
     
  16. cachundo

    cachundo Marketa Davidova. Unicorn. World Champion

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    Feb 8, 2002
    Genesis 16:12...He shall be a wild ass among men
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    Ukraine releases video appearing to show Russian troops beating own wounded officer [link]
     
  17. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Hobby Lobby with their Apocalyptic militia, armed with explosive baskets, poisonous artificial flowers and anti-demonic Christmas decorations.
     
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  18. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Nawwwwwww......

    I'd rather just have fun at your expense!
    :p:p:p
     
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  19. Brilliant Dutch

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    Oct 14, 2013
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    Nothing beats a good old fragging.

    Supposedly happened quite a bit in Vietnam
     
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  20. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Given that Soviet POWs during WWII often found themselves shipped straight to the Gulag upon liberation, this wouldn't be too surprising. Or this could be the equivalent to fragging. In either case, morale seems to be a problem.
     
  21. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    How do they know that was their officer?
     
  22. marek

    marek Member+

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    Jun 27, 2000
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    he wasn’t covered in shit?
     
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  23. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    More recent Russian budget problems:

    https://www.ft.com/content/3def31b3-ca3d-4d6b-8add-3008ac6dfb44 (paywall)

    Russia is back to selling gold, which isn't a good sign. Now, Russia does have a lot, even though a good chunk is locked up in Western banks. Revenues are down a third, expenditures are up over 50% - and those are Russian government numbers. The deficit is going to continue increasing next year.

    Oh, and income from VAT fell by 44%. That's a stunning decline in consumer spending.
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    #7349 The Jitty Slitter, Feb 8, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2023
    The thing to remember is a nation like Russia can simply print as much of its own currency as it needs. Also it put interest rates up to 20% in an emergency measure.
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It's staggering the losses, but also interesting in terms of any Ukrainian offensive.

    Basically the heavies find it very difficult to make any progress.
     

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