Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

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  1. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I think it’s the former. Just another word for relegation since the Premier League isn’t part of the Football League and has no lower league, they would be expelled.

    I have no idea the second part, if the Football League would allow City to participate. Would that also mean only two clubs are relegated from the Premier League instead of three?
     
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  2. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, from The Athletic piece that @NorthBank brought to my attention:

    So…City are like a certain former president in these United States.
     
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  3. ArsenalJake

    ArsenalJake Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I can't take seriously the pearl clutching over all of this ...

    The sport hasn't been credible and straight ever!

    It used to be the quaint old days of Ser Fergus with his army of refs and huge financial advantages .. then came genocidal warlords buying titles, fake sheiks and gun runners and swiss bank accounts in the names of dogs

    Then things went more up market into national state corruption and the small time crooks were cleared out

    Now suddenly things went too far? :ROFLMAO:

    The access media have played along with this e.g the fapping over Roman in 2003 - this is just one more messy bitch drama to milk
     
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  5. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Don't forget when Arsenal committed the crime of *checks notes* playing too many Frenchmen and not enough Englishmen.
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I think the difference with Calcio is it called into question whether what you were watching was even real. They had to get heavy to restore any credibility, but of course they didn't really do anything to fix the issues.

    It's a bit the same now. Juve have likely been cheating for many years in a diseased league, and eventually it got so bad they got prosecuted by the actual authorities. But this seldom happens in the UK despite obvious white collar corruption all over the place. Indeed in Germany where Hoeness was prosecuted for his swiss bank accounts, including obvious corrupt bung from the CEO of Adidas, it had no fall out for Bayern at all.

    The EPL is essentially just a thin entity that runs football for a cartel of powerful clubs. This feels more like a situation where the other owners have finally lost patience with City's cheating, especially because it just costs them too much money.

    I suspect this is a warning more than anything - but it will trash the last 10 years of competition.

    United fans already asterisk all of Cities titles and I think this makes it 'official'
     
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  7. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    This is hilarious:
     
  8. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    Well,
    Tariq is a hack but what else is new
     
  9. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    That's why you need a 5 yr refresh, you get a 5 yr window at the very top with each iteration of your team
     
  10. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    Jitty is really my brother from another, because this is exactly why I have been cheering on Pep and City making a mockery of it all. Like what a set of stones on any UK media member pretending that the past was some rosy time. I guess when United only ever finished 2nd at worst was a great and competitive time in the annals of UK football.

    Look man I hope that them Sheiksh tell the Brexiters to f*** off and if they're going down they take everyone down with them. let's get really negative.
     
  11. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmm. Haven't heard that view before. Care to elaborate?
     
  12. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    It's all so pedantic, and fans are so stupid my goodness I see why the elites continue to rule cause people are just insanely idiotic.

    I have heard it all, United fans crying about spending, Chelsea fans crying about City, Liverpool fans crying about FSG, my goodness.
     
  13. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    He, and about 3/4 other UK based journalist along with some people on the continent working on behalf of Barca/Madrid/Bayern are obsessed with creating this stupid myth of "sports washing" and most fans being about 1 bulb short of a chandelier have run with it like those guys are saying something iluminating.

    Fans are being deliberately misled about what is going on with City because most fans don't care about the game they just care about their clubs. Which is why the VAR scam in the EPL continues, which is why Barca can do shady deals that are clearly money laundering and Madrid can be a state sponsored club but how dare City win like this?
     
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  14. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't know how to respond to that. But my take on Tariq Panja continues to be that he's a relatively measured, facts-based reporter. Your mileage obviously varies.
     
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  15. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Counterpoint - That there are flaws in various leagues or other teams doesn't mean Citeh or anyone else are exempt from the rules. If they need to let off on a technicality because implementation of the rules has been uneven then so be it, but if they're guilty then they're guilty and should be punished accordingly.

    Also, given that Chelski was more a personal pet project than a national one, I'm of the impression that Citeh is the first attempt at major sportswashing. I've no idea about the veracity or extent of realized benefits to the owners in these scenarios and frankly don't care. (Often the attention raised on the matter can bring daylight to the political issues at hand.) What I and others should care about is the extent that such ownership types will skew and shift competitive balance: Teams overly empowered to win without regard for cost, and in fact doing so because they're prioritizing brand prestige over sound business, renders trophies out of reach for more and more of the other teams. This isn't to say nationalized ownership or obscenely wealthy owners are ostensibly bad, merely that competitive balance is critical to the business model of each overall league and therefore measures should enforce the same.

    I don't exactly know where to draw the line, and perhaps this plays out differently if these groups bought existing powers instead of making new ones, but it sure seems there's only so many times you can look at the EPL, with all the legit revenues available, and accept a model whereby each new ownership will simply outspend everyone else in pursuit of a trophy, taking losses or cooking the books along the way.

    Says I, anyway.
     
  16. AEAAFC96

    AEAAFC96 Member+

    Mar 27, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they win the league, multiply that by 10. They're not going to let him go if they're playing in the CL unless you pony up Neymar level money to make them think about it.
     
  17. AEAAFC96

    AEAAFC96 Member+

    Mar 27, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to mention they desperately need to get back into the CL because they are so deeply in debt you'd think they're recreating the opening scene in "Blade".
     
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  18. AEAAFC96

    AEAAFC96 Member+

    Mar 27, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The trick's going to be if they don't have that CL money to help reinvest in the squad. Klopp, et. al. will have to get creative.
     
  19. AEAAFC96

    AEAAFC96 Member+

    Mar 27, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Calciopolli scandal already gave the club the scarlet letter. It's mind-boggling that they actually went there knowing that, if they were caught, no one in Italy would have sympathy for them.
     
  20. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Chelsea got away with their most heinous financial doping before FFP was even a concept, let alone the financial regulations that the PL are charging City with. That’s the distinction—get in before the drawbridge gets closed on you
     
  21. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Sports washing is something Americans created. We just call it sponsorship deals.
     
  22. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
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    Fifa game scripting in real life.
     
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  23. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Sheffield United seem manically driven to give away stupid penalties, too.
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Just a note on this, as it comes up a lot

    Unfortunately this was the naive spin the UK media put on it.

    If you read up on how Putin's Russia works, it is pretty clear to a real extent Putin was the owner of Chelsea at the end of the day.

    Abu Dhabi's sovereign wealth fund is much more of a legitimate owner than Abramovich
     

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