Next Coach

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Ancelotti married a Canadian and has a house in Canada. He's talked about one day coaching CanMNT. The time probably won't get better.
     
  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The fact that Marsch is available right now doesn't really matter.

    Cone made it fairly clear that Stewart's replacement will choose the next manager. That hire is going to take a while first.

    I expect that by the time we actually start interviewing candidates for the position, the market of available managers will look pretty different.

    Ancelotti? Sure. I'm on board. But I don't see it.
     
  3. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think both Marsch and Berhalter suffered from the same fallacy: that if you're enthusiastic about a bad idea, that it becomes a good idea. You have to adapt your tactics to the opponent.
     
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  4. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You check to see if he's interested. The timing probably doesn't work, but no harm in doing so.

    At this point you can be fairly assured that any of the available American managers would accept the job if offered. It's just a question of figuring out the pool of interested foreign managers who are judged to be a good fit. You'll get a lot of nos from the latter group but you have to do your due diligence anyways.
     
  5. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Imagine Ancelotti, Pep, and Klipp being free and Sportsology recommends Jim Curtin.
     
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  6. Kirium

    Kirium Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK
    I'd love Ancelotti or Jogi Low.

    But Ancelotti is making roughly $11-12M

    Let's say he's sick of Real Madrid and decides to coach somewhere else. Any top club is going to pay him at least $8M or more.

    Berhalter made around $1.3

    That's a pretty hefty difference even at the $8M mark. You're talking a difference of roughly $20+ M until the 2026 WC.

    I still like Jogi and I bet the US could get him.
     
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  7. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    These firms are, in the vast majority of cases, put into a situation where the client puts some very specific restraints / criteria for them.
     
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  8. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn’t seem to help John Terry any
     
  9. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Here's a Jeff Carlisle article on espn.com on whether Marsch makes sense for the USMNT now that he's available. Some interesting bits from former players, Klestjan and Parker:

    Klestjan: "'His philosophy doesn't change, but tactically he can change things'," he said. Kljestan recalled how New York mostly played 4-2-3-1 under Marsch, but the Red Bulls also played with three in the back at times during 2017, and with a 4-2-2-2 later in his career."

    Parker: "There's not a whole lot of flexibility, to be honest," Parker told ESPN. "The whole system is kind of made so that everyone's on the same page all the time, and is supposed to make, obviously, the machine work properly. It's like if everyone's thinking the same thing, and has the same mentality, and has the same kind of approach to the game, then everyone should be able to click and be on the same page."

    So, potentially conflicting reports on March's flexibility, or lack thereof.
     
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  10. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    They are talking different flexibility, I think.

    For Klestjan, he's referring to formational, though he's mostly stuck to a 4231 and a 4222 of some type from my memory.

    Parker is talking, i think, more about how much flexibility there is within the game plan for a player to play differently, and I doubt there's a ton there. On a broader level, Marsch is RB through and through; on a smaller tactical level; it's hard to be a hardcore pressing team with a lot of freelancing.
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What was Low's annual salary as Germany coach?
     
  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Typically I don’t think they’ll recommend a single candidate either. More like provide a list of coaches who meet the criteria, are interested, and otherwise pre-vetted.

    They aren’t just going to hand the sporting director a single name and say hire that person.
     
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  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think roughly 4 million by the end.

    Biesla reportedly wants 10 million from Mexico

     
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  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Surely US Soccer can afford $4 million / year in a cycle they will host tournaments every year (2023 Gold Cup, 2024 Copa America, 2025 Gold Cup, 2026 World Cup)... If Berhalter was making $1.3 million, just add McBride's salary to that and you're probably already halfway there.
     
  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    @xbhaskarx

    He was at $4.5M in the 2018 World Cup, so I think he was at $5-6M. There was an Athletic article but I couldn't find it when I quickly looked.

    $5M is doable, though probably requires some cinching of belts. $10-20M is probably not.
     
  16. Kirium

    Kirium Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK
    #2666 Kirium, Feb 6, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2023
    It says he was paid 3.5M Euro and highest paid national coach at the 2018 WC.

    At that time 3.5M Euro equated to roughly $4.2M
    Now however it's about $3.75M as of today.

    Add Inflation in there and I would say that Low would probably be around $5M-$6M per year considering he's been out of coaching, etc.

    Something else as it relates to coaching salaries.

    I'm not sure how FIFA splits gates and etc with the host nations, but I'd imagine USSF will make some pretty good money. So, if you're going to go over your normal spend for something that happens once per 30 yrs and possibly longer in the future, then I think now is when you do it. You know you'll make more money than normal over this next cycle anyway and if you can have a great showing by the USMNT and soccer grows more then you will gain back that cost down the road anyway.

    I would also imagine considering the stadium infrastructure is already built, as opposed to say Qatar and some other host nations then the Gross Profit will be higher for 2026 in the US as opposed to past hosts who had to generate infrastructure and stadiums, etc.
     
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  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel like not many people are banging down the door trying to hire Low at current so maybe we can get him at Klinsmann like salary (if he’s the pick).

    I don’t know about the World Cup but we are getting a cut of the gate receipts for the Copa America. It won’t be quite the windfall of the 2016 Copa, but I believe the Athletic estimated it would in the range of $20 million or so. That’s definitely money that could go towards paying a foreign coach.
     
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  18. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    I'll say it..........................

    Bob Bradley is the best candidate to coach the US going into 2026.

    Of course, according to BS, it will only be because USSF is corrupt and secretly installing Michael as player coach in Toronto.
     
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  19. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    No Bielsa. Just no.

    No Mourino. Please no.

    After that, prefer no Marsch or Schmetzer or Porter.

    That leaves at least one good candidate surely! C’mon, Cindy! You can (even indirectly) do this!
     
  20. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With a "normal" calendar World Cup ending in mid-July, there would a fair amount of coaching candidates available. But since this particular WC ended in December, there are very few available. The ussf should wait until July unless they can get someone like Low now.
     
  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a Bob Bradley fan, always have been... never thought he should have been fired after the 2011 Gold Cup... Having said that, it seems like an odd time to call for Bradley as "the best candidate" after Toronto just finished 27/28 only saved from the wooden spoon by DC, with what I can only assume was by far the highest payroll in MLS history, given that just Insigne and Bernardeschi made over $20 million.
     
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  22. United4Evra

    United4Evra Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Dec 13, 2022
    Wow. Really? A World Cup where US Soccer is literally going to make 100-200m in direct and indirect revenue and we can’t come up with a measly $10m? That’s an accounting error for the probable sponsors like Nike, McDonald’s, Coca-Cola and the like. That’s a complete joke. Every MLS team is going to make money hand over fist if we make the semi finals… Can’t we get them each to kick in $250k?

    I am blown away at how the US soccer community thinks. Why are we thinking so small?
     
  23. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    He took over a dumpster fire with a spine of Omar Gonzalez, Michael Bradley, and Jozy Altidore and then lots of youth players who weren't ready sprinkled in. Bernadeschi and Insigne only came half way through the season. Also, he built that LAFC team and had them humming from day 1 in MLS.

    His experience (and success) in the international game put him in a position that basically no other American coach (except Arena) can claim. Cherundolo is a decent shout because of his experience as an assistant at the international level, but his level of experience as a head coach makes him a huge question mark. Curtin deserves a lot of praise for what he's done in Philly, but he knows nothing about coaching at the international level, and he never played at that level either.

    Bob never gets talked about, but he's the best American candidate, no doubt.
     
  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Would be interesting though I know alot of people don’t want Marsch.
     
  25. JUnionFan

    JUnionFan Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Sep 30, 2020
    #2675 JUnionFan, Feb 7, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2023
    I legitimately would rather have Curtin than Marsch at this point.

    All Marsch has done is shown at several stops the extent of his ability to adapt is to literally be the personification of "Just do Plan A, but harder" over and over again. I don't understand what he has shown that anyone could say is positive.

    He is almost proud in how stubborn he is and how he does not want to change.

    At least Curtin has shown some ability to adapt and change. Last season he pulled back on the pressing a bit, and adapted to teams giving us the ball by dropping Bedoya to the RB in the build up. His ability to play and move McGlynn around gave us a real plan B.

    I don't think either of them is at the level we need for the NT but at least one has shown an ability to adapt and change things up.
     
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