Jesse Marsch out at Leeds, rumored for Southampton job

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  1. aeschylusdanceparty

    NYRB
    United States
    Jun 3, 2021
    I'm sure he will be fine, but I can't really take seriously his winning percentage at Salzburg
     
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  2. NorcalHockeyhooligan

    Feb 25, 2012
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    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed. In fact, depending on how severely the EPL punishes Man City for their um..."creative accounting", it might be sooner than later. And I heard on CounterAttack that Pep supposedly said a while ago that if the club lied to him??? he'd walk away from City.
     
  3. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Pep's brother is part of a group with minority ownership of Girona. Let's not pretend Pep has no idea what is going on.
     
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  4. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    If I'm not mistaken, the buy option is automatically triggered should McKennie make 10 appearances and Leeds remain in the Premier League. It's less of a "loan with an option to buy" than it is a "trial purchase with an opt-out option."
     
  5. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    He is now available to be the USA coach.

    Leeds problem we're depth and defense a few injuries and the team struggled but inconsistent play by the back 4 and keeper was the difference. In the end I think Marsch had the same problem as Biesla. They needed to totally change their style of play to compensate for the week back for but he wasn't really willing to do that.

    If you doesn't take the USA job I think you can get another job in Europe again but he's going to have to do what every coach who would have been fired from his last two jobs which is go to the FA Championship or Bundi 2 and re-gain his credibility.
     
  6. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Yes, but if someone says that there's a chance that he's willing to come here, I'm willing to consciously suspend disbelief.

    Nevertheless, back to the original subject of the thread: now that Marsch is available, I don't see how he doesn't at very least make our coaching search shortlist, if not the outright frontrunner (barring the availability of a Pep). I mean who else besides Bielsa is on it?
     
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  7. aeschylusdanceparty

    NYRB
    United States
    Jun 3, 2021
    Please keep him away from the National team. Not hard to imagine how poor a fit players like Reyna, Pulisic, and Dest would be in his system.
     
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  8. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
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    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Biesla system would also be a tough fit for those guys. But both Puli and Reyna spend time with Dortmund and unless I am wrong, they press a lot.
     
  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    The real key is if they go down it’s not happening.

    And if they stay up it’s not an issue paying his transfer fee this summer. Especially since the 49ers would be expected to take over at that point.
     
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  10. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 19, 1998
    le côté obscur
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    You're talking about MLS and the Austrian Bundesliga?
     
  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pep is definitely not naive. He’s got to have a sense.

    This thing will take awhile to resolve and Man City will fight it at every step of the way.

    Pep may decide he wants to step aside anyways independent of this, but it’s just hard to tell.

    It does seem like it’s been a frustrating season for Man City. Haaland has scored a ton but there have been some struggles in terms of integrating him into the system overall. And you have a team that’s won 4 out of the last 5 titles and is maybe just a bit too satisfied and comfortable. Though it’s also possible they just go on a tear and win both the EPL and Champions League.
     
  12. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Absolutely.
     
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  13. aeschylusdanceparty

    NYRB
    United States
    Jun 3, 2021
    I am certainly not asking for Bielsa either. Dortmund presses, yes; lots of team press. How and in what situations that press is implemented is an important detail. Also, not to mention the narrowness of Marsch's system
     
  14. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

    Jul 29, 2014
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    #1764 MayaDempsey, Feb 6, 2023
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    Simply talking career wins and losses. You can rationalize which ones count however you want. Potter’s longest run and best results were with Ostersund. How do we consider those? Viera’s best results were in MLS. How do we consider those?

    My point isn’t that Marsch is great. He’s another coach that’s had some ups and downs. He’ll be fine.
     
  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    I certainly don't watch enough Man city to have a strong opinion, but I do think it's a fascinating topic.

    This year they are on pace to score 96 goals and give up 38 for a differential of +58.
    Last year, they scored 99 and gave up 26. So the issue has been on the defense, mostly.

    I think I've seen some charts where Ederson has been pretty poor this year -- which may be on him or may be on something else.

    But the team is also starting to age a bit. But it really isn't the offense. Haaland hasn't really supercharged it, unless it would have otherwise slipped more. Which, again, DeBruyne was starting to show his age at the World Cup.
     
  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://theathletic.com/4154516/202...ester-city-better/?source=user_shared_article

    This has some good analysis but it basically says they play different with Haaland and have less control of the game as a result, which has led to more issues on the counter attack.
     
  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Perhaps Marsch would have had more success if he had spent more time coaching the players instead of acting like a lazy substitute teacher...



    (I know a lot of successful American coaches do stuff like this, and I always think it's dumb)
     
  18. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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  19. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

    Jul 29, 2014
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    No doubt. Everyone knows free time is for Xbox.
     
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  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In the end all this stuff would have been forgotten if he got results. Or people would have made it part of his success story.

    I feel like the issue wasn’t him not spending enough time coaching, but a combination of bad luck, tactical rigidity, and weaknesses in the squad.

    And as @gogorath has pointed out they have a keeper who is one of the worst shot stoppers in the EPL. If you look at their xG numbers they are not far off on goal scoring but they are underperforming on goals allowed. I don’t know how much of this is poor shot stopping but it’s for sure a factor.
     
  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh no Pep is going to come here and start Ferreira every game isn't he

    Oh absolutely, and the latter is what happens with all kinds of quirky things that successful coaches do that get reported on, eg watching inspirational crap, visualization, handing out books, etc. That's my whole (not completely serious) point and why all such stories annoy me.
     
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  22. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    The tactical rigidity is the part that worries me. Much of his tactical approach generally fits our playing pool well, and I think he's a perfect culture fit, even more than Berhalter was. But that's not a small issue.
     
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  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I almost wish we could hire him as interim coach while we wait for the process to work itself out. See how it looks in practice. Not realistic though.
     
  24. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps we could sign him through the Copa. Of course, he could always walk if the Copa's a success and he gets another good gig...
     
  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well anyone we hire through the Copa is going to want to be there through the World Cup.

    It’s more than we have an interim coach that no one is that happy with. I for one wouldn’t mind Marsch or Matarazzo or someone else being the interim and getting a test run (while we run the sporting director search and the coaching search). I don’t think US Soccer would go for it because it’s too much of a leg up. And I don’t think Marsch or Matarazzo would want the job on a short term basis.
     

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