Spaghetti Weston: McKennie at Juventus

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  1. Noriega7

    Noriega7 Member

    Newcastle United
    Dec 27, 2017
    So these players you stated above didn't like Marsch?

    A few weeks ago, there was a source claiming some Leeds players had gone to the board to ask for Marsch sacking..
     
  2. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    I need to start playing better.
     
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  3. Noriega7

    Noriega7 Member

    Newcastle United
    Dec 27, 2017
    It's weird and funny because I couldn't stop wondering whether him being off the pace for his first match had something to do with him looking a bit too chubby/fat..
     
  4. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Armas shanked him.
     
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  5. RidiculousLichaj

    May 18, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those are the players who repeatedly made mistakes well below the level of an EPL footballer, to the point it often costed Leeds points. Perhaps coincidentally, they were all the least happy appearing in all photos/video from the start of the season when Leeds were playing well.

    I obviously have no inside information, but it would not shock me if they were part of a group that turned against Jesse. Which puke be awful, because he stuck by all of them much longer than another manager might’ve.
     
  6. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just love it when the upper management fires a coach for the technical error-filled performances of individual players. Makes so much sense.
     
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  7. gjackson2207

    gjackson2207 Member

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    He knows of the rule that Leeds can only hire Chicago Fire DMs as the gaffer from here on out.
     
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  8. RecLeague Super Sub

    Fulham
    United States
    Jun 5, 2019
    Well, in a way, it does make sense. You can't fire an entire team or even 3-4 players, so if you want to spark major change, the manager has to go first. Does not seem fair but those are the ropes, and it's been that way as long as I can remember.

    But on one hand I see your point, because I do think players like Bamford and Sinsterra (and maybe even Struyk) specifically owe Jesse an apology for costing him a job yesterday and making schoolboy errors and/or blowing clear chances they should have finished. And there are some players at Leeds that are clearly not Prem level (I am looking at you Luke Ayling).

    But if we try to be unbiased, Jesse can only blame player errors and technical weakness and bad luck for so long. As much as I had hoped he was turning it around, he was just not getting it done.
     
  9. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well he was showing a 6-pack in his physical, so he must have eaten a lot of pies in the last few days
     
  10. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if he had done the same amount of homework then maybe he would have adjusted some of his approach based on the opponent. If you don't adjust - you get found out and you lose. Simple as that. Marsch did not adjust and all the motivation in the world does not work if you don't properly prepare the plan AND adjust when needed.
     
  11. RidiculousLichaj

    May 18, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you’re seriously doubling down on Bielsa being a better manager, and Goal Difference, in which Marsch was actually far superior to Bielsa over the last two years, is your evidence? I thought I’d read it all from the Bielsa cronies, yet here we are.
     
  12. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Radrizanni and the Forty Niners were not going to sit around and wait for Marsch to figure it out. They are very sensitive to their loyal fan base. The York family are not going to sit around for long .... Shanahan has a reasonable record - but the two previous coaches had poor records and lasted only a year. They have had a year now to watch Jesse - and he has not shown an ability to get them to the next level - even with reasonable signings. It is cuthroat.

    Back to Wes - he is firmly going to be scrutinized while on loan - but I still think this situation is a damn sight better than the dumpster fire that is Juve.

    Folks will not care about his diet ... they will care about the wins and the GD ... that is all.
     
  13. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bielsa was brought in to improve them from Championship to the EPL and he did that.

    But he did not get them to the next level and he was eventually let go - and for that matter - neither has Marsch.

    I am only pointing out that Bielsa was meticulous in terms of work ethic and preparation and he led Leeds to getting promoted. So yes he has that big feather in his cap.

    I like Jesse as a person - but as a coach he did not get it done.

    So Leeds now has tightened up the defense compared to last year ... but now they can't score. But their GD trend is just bad at the moment ... Either way you look at it ... they will get crushed by ManU on Wednesday and will be firmly in the relegation zone. Probably wise to make the move now and give them a chance to stay up.
     
  14. RidiculousLichaj

    May 18, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looking back at the schedule, the long layoff Leeds had after the Queen’s death— longer than almost every other club (resulting in them still having a game in hand)— was kind of the turning point in their season. A few bad results after the layoff, and pressure was firmly on. And we all know how it’s gone since.
     
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  15. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Getting NF on February 5, 2023 instead of September 2022 was bad luck for Leeds.

    Leeds had been playing decently iirc and NF had been dire up to that point.
     
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  16. NorcalHockeyhooligan

    Feb 25, 2012
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The above was about Bamford, Harrison, Cooper, Ayling. So, Jesse shows loyalty to them by playing them more than they deserved to be played, and they shafted Jesse by allegedly trying to get Jesse fired? Wow - really says something about their character (if true).
     
  17. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Most professional footie players prefer the EPL to the Cola league, if they have any say in the matter.

    Also, if a coach of a team at the bottom of the league is playing players when they don't deserve to play... he should not be coaching any longer.
     
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  18. bakerkdb

    bakerkdb Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    Harrison disappears for 4-5 games and only occasionally plays well. Bamford has been living in the treatment room for just about all of Marsch’s tenure. Cooper and Ayling are Championship quality players on an EPL team. Those players are who they are, they didn’t sabotage anything.

    Marsch started the season ok but everyone in EPL figured out they could just play over or through their press and catch them with acres of space to defend with a championship level defense. Jesse didn’t fix it and he got canned for it. When players bust their asses in that press and get sucker punched literally every game they will start to lose confidence. That’s not the same thing as sabotage, it’s no longer believing in the project.

    11 points out of 51 on offer will get you fired especially after spending over £150 Million in 6 months to give you everything you needed. Maybe some tactical flexibility would have kept Jesse until the summer. He is a true believer and refused to budge. Players didn’t do this to Jesse, he did it to himself.
     
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  19. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Isn’t Bielsa clearly better? He had Leeds finish 9th after promotion.
     
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  20. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    That’s interesting because it goes against my belief that at least Marsch has the backing of his players who will walk through walls for him. Hard for me to believe Bamford had sway with the board though. This has to be fan driven I should think.
     
  21. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree his press didn't work after teams figured out how to beat it. I think some of the goals they bled were preventable. In the pre-season you could tell their defense was very weak, specially their fullbacks.
     
  22. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The bad thing is that he tried to adjust against Tottenham and switch to a more defensive formation to hold on…and gave up two goals.
     
  23. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    the last 5 (league) games they were:
    1-0 loss to (13) Forrest on a very good strike 14 minutes in.
    0-0 tie to (7) Brentford.
    2-1 loss to (11) AV. (1st AV goal at 3 mins)
    2-2 tie to (16) WHam.
    0-0 to (4) NUFC

    A point v NUFC and Brentford were good results, but only tying WHam at home, and then losing to Forrest away at this stage of the game is tough. AV to me is a pick-em. But all 3 together, and facing ManU twice in a week... really needed to scrape 2 or 3 more points out of that run. Watch now they'll go on a mini-streak and everyone will get complacent and they'll spend next season at 15-18 again...
     
  24. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He had a better season. His system was more flawed. I honestly think that JM just needed to add a few ripples and have a couple players execute better. They blew some serious games just on nonEPL level blunders…blunders that an average MLS player doesn’t make.

    JM got his chance. It’s a shame he didn’t get them in the championship and get the chance to get through a season together and then improve the squad and hit the EPL.
     
  25. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Back line just want good. They needed Wober quality at all four spots.
     

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