The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-makes-history-in-munich

     
  2. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Well there you are.......they should take the games they play in London away and put them in Germany, it would also probably be easier for American ex-pats who live in Europe (Germany is more central) to attend. But more importantly than anything else I think it might take revenue away from Spurs!
     
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  3. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The NFL plan is to have more games in Germany. But not reduce the ones in England. The 2023 season will have 3 games in England and 2 in Germany.
     
  4. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    They should play them all in Germany. Are any games going to be played in the US?
     
  5. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes. The vast majority are.
     
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Yep, 286 regular season NFL games will be played in the U.S. to be exact. Plus all 13 post-season games. And at least 1,500 top division college football games although one was played in Ireland last fall. We can spare 5 or 6.
     
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  7. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They sell out in England ... WTF would they not keep games there?
     
  8. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    If you read the previous posts you'd know! They want to grow the game no? Then as previously mentioned they should try and expand into Germany, they have no rugby in Germany, there is a much bigger market for the game in Germany. They've been pushing this game on the UK for decades now it's still only a niche sport, in Germany I genuinely believe there is room for the game. Look this conversation has been had already, perhaps you should read through it?
     
  9. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    People in the UK would NEVER stand for having Premier League games outside the country, why aren't people in the US up in arms over it?

    If they ever make Chelsea play league games abroad I'm done with them.
     
  10. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Not really. The Italian Supercoppa was played in Washington, DC once.
     
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  11. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure but the merit is how much money you can bring into the league. While in pro/rel the merit is who gets the most points. I know which one I like.


    They buy their way into the league simple. There is literally nothing else to say. Buying your way doesn't necessarily mean you have the most money. But regardless of how much they paid they still literally bought their way into the league.

    Cool you broadcast people looking at spreadsheets, i'll broadcast a relegation 6 pointer and see which one is more interesting.
     
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  12. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If my only access to Association Football was via MLS, Especially '97-'05 MLS I would be a casual soccer fan at best.
     
  13. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    1. Teams regularly travel 1,000s of miles for league games here. London is not that much different than going to NY, Seattle, LA, or Miami.

    2. The NHL first, then Major League Baseball, the NBA, and MLS operate in the U.S. and Canada. Very few U.S. fans see this as a big deal.

    3. Most fans, even of a particular team, are going to get the game the same way they get it now, on TV. It is the same experience.

    The only fans that complain are season ticket holders and they only lose a home game every few years. Except for Jacksonville who plays in England every year. They are used to it.
     
  14. I'm all in for that.
     
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  15. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I probably would never have followed club soccer at all if not for MLS.
     
  16. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a huge one. Most NFL fans follow their team primarily on TV. It's hard and expensive to get NFL tickets. Plus NFL teams often cover a huge catchment area. It's not crazy to say that "Seahawk" country stretches from the Oregon-California border to the Artic Circle. So you can have people who grew up supporting a team because of their family and community but live hours from the stadium. And the game can be just as good on TV as live (unlike soccer). So yeah fans just aren't that bothered.

    And this is actually one where I think European fans are ,making more of it than there actually is. If the prem started playing one game a year overseas supporters would lose one home game every 20 years. If you are a home and away supporter you would still only lose one every ten years. So in reality not a big deal.

    Having said this we can't trust the administrators further than you can throw them so I guess when push comes to shove I understand the supporters position. If you give them one mid table match a season they'd turn it into a match a week with Liverpool-United being played in Vegas.
     
  17. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes perhaps you should ... I dumped PLENTY of football around the world (and Germany) info into this convo quite a while ago (thread search is your friend)

    Doesn't answer the question.... WTF would they stop a huge payday in England?

    I mean there's more to it than that, and you know that. Gotta push a stance though eh? You stated that folks just buy their win and that money was the only matter. It isn't, though. SAC can attest to that as well as us in SA, or DET, MIA before Beckham ....

    .... It isn't simply buy a slot. There's other 'merits' involved.

    Cool, you know damn well that's not what I'm actually saying ... but you do you.
     
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  18. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For that matter, even with Beckham having a contractual right to a MLS franchise, and billionaire investors involved, Miami took years to get approved and fell behind multiple other cities because MLS was not satisfied with their plan.

    The difference with MLS is that you're not just buying a place in the league, you're committing to starting a club from the ground up and MLS wants assurances that it's not going to be left with egg on its face after letting you in.
     
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  19. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The question is about growing the game, it is a niche sport in the UK, I believe that if they concentrated on trying to grow the game in Germany it could become Germany's version of rugby, that's it, that's all I'm suggesting, I'm not sure why you seem to be getting upset over this?
     
  20. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member+

    Money Grab FC
    Apr 26, 2012
    Not so sure about the "ground up" take, haven't the most recent expansions been after someone else plumbed the market ? StLouis, Nashville, Cincinatti? Even Atlanta had teams before Atlanta Utd though people didn't show up for them in the same numbers.
     
  21. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If there was a closed system in England, Bristol would likely have a team in the top flight. Just saying.
     
  22. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not getting upset ... the game has a very nice foothold and has proven quite popular in Germany ... the "groundwork" is done there and has been for a while.

    Stopping big paydays (and groundwork) in ENG to re-hash efforts that have already proven fruitful in Germany just doesn't make sense.
    I wouldn't put ATX in that category, not really. Yes there were teams prior buuuuuuuuuuuuuut

    St Louis had MLS aspirations/bid before the recent clubs were founded
     
  23. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cincinnati and Nashville could be seen as continuations of the USL clubs, but in other cases (Austin, Charlotte, etc.) there was absolutely no relation between the MLS club and the prior lower league club: the people involved were entirely different. There may have been soccer fans in the city, but there was no club infrastructure in place. And even when it's a "promotion" from lower leagues, the MLS club is still typically committing to build a stadium and new training facilities, and in most cases to start an academy that didn't exist before.
     
  24. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You buy a, slot and money is everything. If you believe anything else than I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklynn. That doesn't mean they automatically award franchise to the owner with the most money or who is willing to pay the most, although this is often the case, but the decision is made on the basis of who can make the most money for the league. So yes everything is about money.

    Once its determined that a certain project can deliver the most money to the league (short term and or long term) then you literally pay money to the league to buy your spot. Again the owners pay money to MLS, and in return are awarded a franchise. I am not sure how you can call it anything other than "BUYING" your way into the league. That is literally what happens.
     
  25. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    And?

    If there was a closed system, one of Bristol Rovers or City wouldn't exist. And likely Forest Green Rovers would not have made it anywhere near the Football League. Maybe Cheltenham as well.
     

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