Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool lost 6 consecutive games at Anfield. That is one of the most unfathomable occurrences in the history of football. During that season the same questions were being asked as are now. That team came back the next season and nearly won the quadruple. Klopp has already proven at Liverpool that he is capable of turning things around. The reason none of those other managers turned things around is that they were not given the time to do so. How many managers has Chelsea gone through since Mourinho? How many managers did United go through after Ferguson left? Liverpool have a huge job ahead of them. We are incredibly lucky that we already have the best manager in the world. We should ride that for all long as Jurgen is willing to stay. The people who are saying Klopp’s time is running out seem to just want to stop the bleeding. But who cares about the bleeding at this point? The damage is already done. We are most likely not going to be playing Champions League football next season. To me there is no difference between finishing 5th and 12th. There is a lot of work to do to get this team back to the top again. It’s absurd to think we could find someone better equipped for that challenge.
I'm not so much worried about Klopp getting the sack but more that he'll either get fed up with FSG or the pressure and simply decide he's had enough and walk. I have to say Jurgen has looked like he's exhausted and very down in his recent pressers.
What Klopp has to do is turn it around this season if he can and I'm not sure if he's capable. The ones who took over at Trafford weren't what I would call great managers. The reason Moyes was awarded the position was simply a piece of Scottish nepotism. He was not, is not and never will be a great manager. OGS started with a bang and faded, NOT a great manager. Let's see if Klopp can turn it around this season. Let's see if he's a man for a crisis which, by Liverpool's standards, it is.
He's a top class manager, best we have had in a long time. Not a miracle worker. A bad workman blames his tools. But you can't blame the workman if he isn't given access to the right tools.
Klopp doesn't need to fix it this season. The man should have so much credit in the bank that he doesn't even need to be "allowed" another season to fix it - rather we should be fortunate that he wants to stay to do so.
Yeah, sure we do, but it’s not likely going to happen this year…so he isn’t likely going to do it… therefore, he doesn’t have to do it… I think the point many are trying to stress is that Juergen is still a very good manager, and hopefully, with a few incoming players over the summer, he will have us right back in it next season…
I totally agree he's a top class coach, same tier as Conte and Pep but now he's being tested. Things aren't going well are they? 3-0 against Wolves, hey. Will he turn it around though? My original claim was that these great coaches like Mourinho etc are great when things are going well but are not good when a crisis comes. Klopp now has a fight on his hands and I'm not sure he'll fix it.
Spurs would be incredibly fortunate to have a coach of Klopp’s quality. But they never will so troll away…
And the counter is that I'm pretty sure he will fix it. as noted above - we aren't getting CL next season barring a miracle in the CL itself. And the point remains - he's earned all the credit in the world to do the rebuild.
personally - I think Conte is an excellent manager. The style is horrifically boring - but he gets teams to play his way. that said - he seems to fall out with management very quickly and also seems to demand heavy spending. I can't recall a building job he's ever done comparable to Klopp taking over Liverpool.
he got pretty snarky with someone at the presser yesterday and said he wouldn't answer the question someone asked him, but said he would answer if someone else asked it -- was it Pearce?
This rebuild is as big a job as when Klopp first got here - maybe bigger given the pressure he'll be under. I think he has plenty of credit in the bank, yes. But he's never been able to rebuild a second squad.
I think if/when Klopp survives this season there is going to be a clear-out of a lot of the backroom staff positions. It's hard to say when things started to veer off of the positive trajectory they were on before, but it probably takes a few years to show up. That would put Linders and Motas in the crosshairs. If we want to go with precedent, what FSG did with Rodgers. In his case it was effectively a delayed defenestration (love that word... just the sound and its modern origins; the Czech Republic). Would it be the same for Klopp? Effectively, he'd be asked to shake-up/jettison his support staff. He's done that in a limited sense once already... so, maybe he'd be okay? He's clearly a different manager with different stature than Rodgers... so potentially he could reload? Ultimately, I think FSG don't want to be ousting arguably one of the best managers in the world while they are trying to sell the club, or at least a significant minority position in it. As frustrated as I am with how things are going right now, and with Klopp's apparent inability to fix things (just see my posts from yesterday) he's still got one of the best track records in the world as a manager. We'd be silly to fire him right now. That said, if our current form doesn't improve, we could actually find ourselves in a relegation fight (I don't think that will happen, but who knows... Borussia Dortmund didn't think so either). If it gets that far, we may see Klopp being jettisoned. I think it would be more likely that he quits at the end of the season. To me, Klopp at Borussia Dortmund in 2014/15 and right now at Liverpool seem eerily similar. Borussia Dortmund watched richer teams (Bayern) poach his best players, and didn't have the resources to replace them. They replaced Lewandowski with Ciro Immobile (whose last name probably sums up his future exploits). Klopp also oversaw bringing back Kagawa from ManU in a misinformed attempt to rejuvenate his career (so no looking to Mane to save us - ala Merson's vapid comments). If I were Klopp (but who knows what he's actually thinking), I'd be super interested in making sure I didn't repeat my biggest career defeat as a manager. I'd be actively looking to figure out where my support/recruiting staff are failing me. Maybe this actually explains the mass exodus of his recruitment staff (assuming they are replaced with better people). I'd also be pushing the money folks to move aged, and ineffective, players on, and refreshing the squad (I don't see any evidence of this, unfortunately). I fully expect that we, like the 2014/15 Dortmund team, will see a resurgence once we get our attacking players back... but who knows? Ultimately, Klopp has to decide is he going to be ruthless and reload both ineffective backroom staff and players, or is he going to remain the good guy he clearly is, and bow out at the end of the season? The fan in me wants the former, the person in me says ultimately he needs to decide.
I think you're on an intellectual level or two higher than I and there's too much there to which to respond.
simply no. He's never lasted anywhere more than two seasons. His modus operandi is come in and mess things up, Motivate some of the players, piss off a hell of a lot others, and then leave, usually by mutual decision. Not the same at all.
Bah... I've just been thinking about it a lot longer (too much honestly)... You've been respectful and you are absolutely entitled to raise these questions. Don't be put off by people challenging your ideas. It doesn't mean they are wrong or bad, just different. I guess I'm speaking for others here, but I always like to hear new ideas and discuss them. You may have had a bit of a rough welcome to the discussion, but you are welcome as long as you are looking for honest discussion in your comments... You may have decided to join us at a particularly trying time, though. So read, learn, and contribute. We are happy to discuss.
My comments about top managers were not specifically aimed to be hostile to Klopp personally. Not hostile in intention to anybody, managers or supporters. Just my views and I felt no rough welcome. I don't consider my remarks as at all provocative as I never "WUM."