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  1. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #6326 markmcf8, Feb 4, 2023
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    You are not the fan that he thinks we can attract by signing some one from — your choice of: EPL, Bundesliga, Mexican League, and so on. Those Europhiles and Latinophiles actively run down Our league, whereas you are an active and longtime supporter! You have exactly the right attitude: support your local club, and watch whatever the hell you want.

    Carry on, esteemed comrade!

    Go Quakesfans!!
     
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  2. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I mostly post using my phone these days. Old eyes + tiny display/‘keyboard’ = errors
     
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  3. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ribbing is still 'attacking' to some fashion whether you may feel it is or not. I find it you've attacked Latinos/Mexicans/Myself with your 'Latinophile' stuff.
     
  4. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is true, but on the other side of that coin, players who are globally known is the argument many make. Moo Shoo Poo from tim-buck-too isn't going to sell as many tickets as a name like David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Didier Drogba, Lionel Messi, Gonzalo Higuain, Blanco, Rafa Marquez, Pity Martinez, Chicharito, Carlos Vela, Thierry Henry, Bastian Schweinsteiger etc. In 1998 the Fire sold extremely well tapping into the Polish network. Worked out in their favor they haven't been good since 2000 anyways. You will put fans in the stans, and by and large if we brought in Alan Pulido he would have been attractive to some of the detached Latino Bay Area Market. Even Alanis brought some fans. My friend is a Chivas fan hated, the Quakes but became a Quakes season ticket holder when they got Alanis and now his family of 5 are season ticket holders + his dad. They hated the Quakes because the lack of interest the Quakes show to the Mexican Community locally by and large. In Brentwood you will find more Chivas USA, Atlas and Monterrey fans then Earthquakes fans.

    It's a bit of a catch-22 but American Soccer Fans are vastly different then many regions around the world. We're still trying to identify what soccer really is here. We will never have a formulaic strategy across the board because every team is so diverse and play differently its creates a interesting balance among the teams. You're starting to see a little bit of that with the PNW tries to play tiki taka, Galaxy, LAFC, Earthquakes, Dynamo and FC Dallas play a Hispanics style of soccer with lots of finesse and samba. The Eastern Block play very European style, The Florida teams play barca ball etc.

    So identifying players who can fit a system, but also be an amazing marketing tool is ideal and key. I would trade any player on our roster for a super star like Messi. For ambition... KC was finalist to land Ronaldo. Imagine he went to Kansas City.... He would still sell out every stadium in this country just by name. I bet you they'd move LAFC/Galaxy into The Rose Bowl when KC came to town, we'd go to Stanford or Levi, Red Bull and NYCFC would probably head into Giants Stadium. Same would be for Lionel Messi.

    We're going to Levi, because its the day after Cinco De Mayo, LAFC are champions, Carlos Vela is on the team... and when they did scheduling it was likely people thought Gareth Bale was going to be on the roster. Last year when we beat LAFC's 2nd team 2-1... PPP was packed to the brim to see potentially Bale, Chiellini and company. I recall seeing LOTS of Italia, Chiellini and Bale jerseys in the stands. They probably did research and thought the demand was there to see them and could capitalize on the high ticket revenue.

    I see all sides to the argument.
     
  5. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes but people shouldn't be singled out for preferring EPL over MLS.

    But we need to attract those fans who are European and Latino preferred.

    I hate the word Europhiles and Latinophiles.
     
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  6. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey! Who edited my post! :eek::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    It wasn’t that bad. Come on!

    I don’t think we’re ever going to attract fans of foreign leagues, But! we’re getting their kids! Ha, ha!!

    Also, I wouldn’t try to get players from a specific league or country to boost attendance. Put a winning team on the pitch and then market them. RottenFish is failing us on both counts.

    Go Quakesfans!!
     
  7. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would the top of the back of his jersey display Shoo Poo or just Poo (as opposed to Pooh)? :confused:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
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  8. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or people watching EPL in addition to their support of MLS. And last time I checked, MLS season wasn't 12 months long. I like to watch soccer all year long, but, apparently that doesn't jibe with someone's Quakes fan purity test.
     
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  9. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #6334 JazzyJ, Feb 5, 2023
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    So you really only watch EPL from mid-Nov to mid-Feb??

    Anyway, it's a false narrative that you or anyone else is being "attacked" for watching EPL or any other soccer. Just a little ribbing. I only bring up the "europhile" thing with any seriousness when it reflects onto attitudes about MLS.

    One of those attitudes is that we should strive to make MLS as much like the euro leagues as possible, as soon as possible - an "EPL Me-Too". More spending! More transfer fees! Rip the salary cap off of MLS! More ads on the shirts! I know some of y'all really love those leagues, but I feel like MLS can and should be its own thing and does not need to emulate the euro leagues that some fans love so much. We've got a good thing going. I think the managed growth thing is working and we are avoiding the pitfalls of NASL.

    The other is the pining for the euro stars, which is fine, but I think sometimes that pining reflects into an undervaluing of our own players. There's the player's resume in euro leagues or whatever and there's what he actually does in MLS. Wondo cut every euro star who's been in the league in terms of goal productivity over a lengthy period of time. Yet when a team like LA gets a player like say Gio Dos Santos, the tongues go wagging and the "Fisher Out" signs come out. Some folks are eager to sell Benji and use the $ to acquire some intl player. Is that player going to score .42 goals per 90, from a winger position, like Benji has? Maybe, but maybe it would be better to just keep our local player Benji in house while it still makes sense for everybody.
     
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  10. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    When you see that the mod edited it, that's probably me. The discussion was getting a little too heated and personal. It's better now, so thanks all.
     
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  11. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Benji technically is an international player. Hes not American so you cant use that as an example.

    You litterally attack everyone who wants to see European or Latin players come here. It has nothing to do with under valuing our own guys. But a lot of our own guys arent good.

    Dos Santos is a very popular player with a masdivr latin following in North America so of course people want him on the team.

    No one here says EPL > MLS. And i dont want our league as close to the EPL as possible. Or wed be in the 3rd division forever.
     
  12. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, he "attacks" people who disagree with his view. Much like you do.
     
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  13. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ???? He was born in San Jose, California, I think the only one on the team who can say that.
     
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  14. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I only attack and counter argue him. Everyone else hardly ever other then topical discussion. However with that said, I like when people disagree it furthers a conversation. Hes a big boy, he can defend himself. No need for Superman and Lois. Comicon is later this year lolol
     
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  15. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With a dual citizenship. He wants to clearly play for Boznia. So hes not a good argument. If he can be upgraded then so be it.

    Cowell, Thompson and Marcinkowski wpuld be better arguments
     
  16. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A lot of people have dual citizenship. If he ever gets the chance to play for Bosnia, that makes him no less American. as you have well said, people shouldn't be diminished based on their background or ethnicity. And in terms of his soccer development, he is entirely a product of the US system.
     
  17. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Never said he wasn't any less of American. You probably misunderstood what I was saying. I think I need to stop using voice to text and start typing things out. If my post came off that way then I digress and eat my own hat.

    And I have a dual citizenship as well. Well aware of the dualies.
     
  18. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why, revising your purity test?:)
    And show me where I have ever advocated for any of those things.
     
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  19. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #6344 JazzyJ, Feb 5, 2023
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    That part wasn't about you. As I wrote:

    "I only bring up the 'europhile' thing with any seriousness when it reflects onto attitudes about MLS".

    (Singing..."you probably think this post is about you..'bout you...'bout you" :) ).
     
  20. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, I completely understand what JJ is getting at. However, I think it’s a lost cause. Hardcore fans of other leagues are not going to start liking MLS because we signed one or two guys who they like. For example, I’m a Quakesfan. That’s never going to change, even though I have moved away from the Bay Area, twenty years ago now. Were I to move to another country, I would still be a Quakesfan. So people who grew up fans of some EPL, MFL, Bundesliga, Serie A, or whatever league, they aren’t going to change their stripes. It’s possible to be a fan of more than one team, but the fan will consider one of those teams to be their second or third team and be less fervent and less financially supportive.

    Go Quakesfans!!
     
  21. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    Probably most of our fans are of European or Latin American decent. Who is this “them” that @JazzyJ doesn’t think we should try very hard to “draw in?” :ROFLMAO:

    We need all the fans we can get.
     
  22. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also known as Timothy-Buck-also. ;)

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  23. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I think Mark explained it well. Yes, we need all the fans we can get, but at some point the cost of trying to lure those fans to the Quakes becomes prohibitive. And those new fans may come to games, but their primary allegiance will be to another club/league.

    For a while at Buck Shaw, the FO was trying really hard to attract college students to games, giving away free tickets etc. I don't know how much they spent on that, but it didn't get them much traction. Kids that age are fickle, and most of them are poor. If they have a free ticket to a game and an invitation to a party, guess where they'll go? Many of them probably never came to a game that they had to pay for.
     
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  24. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

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    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It means he's trying to throw shade, while hiding behind the Redwood tree towards me. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
    But your a casualty of war because you like the EPL and you'd be a real victim if god forbid you hope Azpilicueta, Di Maria, Pogba and Moo Poo play for us. Might really tick some people off.
     
  25. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    I think it’s all this @JazzyJ nonsense about europhiles and latinophiles and how Quakes shouldn’t waste their time trying to market to those folks when that’s most of our current fan base, already. Sure there are folks that only want to watch the best players in the best leagues…but most of our fans probably support players and leagues from all over, while also supporting the Quakes.
     
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