Future Ex-Utd Players - The Mason Greenwood thread

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    My guess is this is how the broadcasters and brand police see it.

    They pay a crap ton of money - and they don't pay it for this.
     
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  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yes

    My understanding is there would be significant evidential problems at trial now.

    The prosecutor needs the victim to say that she recorded the incident, why she recorded it, and to corroborate the recording.

    If she is now not doing that, even though they still have the recording, evidentially it's difficult - the recording might not be admissible even. So basically we know he is guilty, but the case has collapsed.

    One can speculate if the defence interfered with the complainant here.

    GO figure.
     
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  3. Sport Billy

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    Unbelievable. So their case fell apart. That doesn't mean this guy isn't an abuser. In fact the video shows just the opposite. But to see people actually taking the position that its OK to overlook that fact simply because he plays for "my team" is quite disgusting.
     
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  4. Belgian guy

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    It was pretty clear that this aspect of it was going to be problematic. I remember a statement from the girl's dad that seemed more concerned with Greenwood's career than his daughter's well-being. So probably there wasn't much support for her going forward with a court case even in her own family/environment.
     
  5. Naboomagnoli

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  6. Chaz Striker

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    That’s not necessary.
     
  7. Chaz Striker

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    We’ve agreed on things in the past…
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is a bit how I feel with the Partey fiasco - but also it doesn't help when half a season goes by with no charging decision.

    The Met is incidentally rocked with corruption scandals etc, so I am not holding out hope for any clarity on that one.
     
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  9. jscott23

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    A simple search of the internet points out that these two young people have known each other since high school, have been dating since they were both 17 years old, and according to readily available court documents have been found in each other's company on multiple occasions in just the last 120 days, which although it is a clear violation of the parole conditions, it would indicate that they are back together or at least in support of one another. They currently follow each other on social media, and her Facebook page has numerous photos of them together. By the looks of it, they appear to be two young people who still care for each other deeply and are trying to get on with their lives. It sounds like they could take a page out of the Berhalter's playbook and just put this behind them. I'm not suggesting this, but the evidence certainly is.
     
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  10. benni...

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    Tbh this isnt surprising.
     
  11. Deadtigers

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    With their age, a huge factor is maturity of both parties. Mason obviously needs psychological help cause he has been anointed since a young age and I genuinely don't know about his support system but it seems something went wrong along the way.

    As for the young lady, you have to consider young love, pressure from family, being trapped (her whole identity and financial well being) and then the abuse.

    I don't know if they can survive but I also don't know what is to be done with them individually and as a couple terms of what's best for his career and then as human beings.
     
  12. SF19

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    Jun 8, 2013
    Problem for Mason is the evidence is there and she is one of the smart few to gather it. That they have reconciled, which explains why the case fell apart, also suggests she didn't set him up. Any of us with some sense know what he did and why it was wrong.

    Ok, so he did something wrong, and it will hang over him for the rest of his life, but how bad could he be if she was willing to get back with him? I guess that brings up a good topic of conversation, but I'm not one to be outraged for others. They settled their issues, charges dropped, so he has a right to carry on as a player as far as I'm concerned, regardless of what I think of him as a person.

    The club is running an investigation? We know the attitude from the top, meaning the chief concern will be the bottom line. How having back will affect marketing strategy and bottom line is all they likely care about.
     
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  13. MizzouMUFC

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    She was willing to get back with him because she’s still an immature child and love makes people stupid. Nobody with a solid grip on their own self worth return to someone like that. I feel bad for her and he can go ******** himself.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    According to Athletic she recorded a video taped interview for trial early on then recanted it in April 22.

    not sure what happened over 9 months since then. Maybe CPS waited to see what would happen.
     
  15. Anonymous_United

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    Reading Nike will re-sign the sponsorship with him on 3yr contract plus he will be paid one year compensation
     
  16. Deadtigers

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    Who is saying that? He must have a great attorney. The charge alone even if not proven could violate a morality clause depending on how it was written.
     
  17. SF19

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    I'd have no issue putting an elbow on him and would take pleasure in it if I were an opponent of his (maybe even if I were a teammate in training). Easy words for an internet tough guy like me. If he plays I won't be mad, but I'll never respect him as a man until he can make things right and prove it.
     
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  18. Anonymous_United

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    On Twitter, circulated by many united handles sourcing the athletic but found nothing on athletic officiai twotter handle. So it was fake news.
     
  19. jscott23

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    I suspect they are both quite immature, but when you or I say "someone like that", generally we are talking out of our ass. We don't know him, or her, or their character. We don't even know all the facts of this incident, let alone the basic facts of their relationship. As a father of two teenage girls (17 & 19), I would be inclined to kick the living hell out of Mason. But to hear her father speak supportively on his behalf after all this went down has made me rethink my position.

    And that is why I added the comparison to Greg Berhalter and his wife. Clearly the Berhalters have created a good life together for themselves and their children, and a seemingly happy marriage to all who know them (and I am good friends with someone who was on the USMNT staff who was in Qatar).

    If (and this is a big IF) this is an isolated incident then I'm rooting for their success. I've been in a marriage to someone with anger issues (and prone to outbursts of physical violence). Our marriage couldn't survive for many reasons, largely because serious long-term relationships are hard and require work. I hope these two young (and relatively immature) people get help and guidance in their lives, regardless of whether this relationship lasts or not. I wish them massive success in their lives and their careers, because they deserve it. And happiness too. Why?? Because everyone does. I hope United finds a way to give them the chance they need to put things back together if that is what they wish. And I hope Mason can be a stand-up guy, own his mistake, and work hard to earn our trust and admiration again. I hope United, as a club, will do this for him and and all of it's academy kids because its the right thing to do. And I know the Glazers don't have a good track record for "doing the right thing" vs. doing what is most profitable, but if someone inside that club takes a longer view they will see the the reward. In 1991 Manchester United came to my friend's son who was a sophomore in high school and asked him to join their academy. That meant leaving everything and everyone he knew to travel 5000+ miles to Manchester alone. His mom and dad only asked that the club "take care of their boy." They did! Many of you know him now as a successful professional football player and executive. But it took a village! I'm hoping United also remembers its responsibility in all this. If they do, then Manchester United will continue to be a club that kids from around the world will want to come be a part of. The academy and its legacy is worth more than the $10B the greedy Glazers hope to get in a sale. Let's not ever forget that!
     
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  20. jscott23

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    Right?! Make things right, and then change the course of your life for all to see. I'd love to see him hold a press conference alongside this young lady and ask for room to grow and learn from this. Then I'd like to see the club give him a zero-tolerance pathway back and six month stay with the reserves while he does a lot of community service in his free time.

    And then I'd like to see him fulfill his promise as the best out and out striker this club has produced since I watched Norman Whiteside (1982) then and Mark Hughes (1983) come through.
     
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  21. J'can

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    Can't say I disagree with you. I want to add however that the club offers the same support to the young lady and institute a program to educate all players youth and professional in this area. It is probably there already but clearly not robust enough.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Just quoting this part of your post as it seems to represent a general vibe out there.

    My problem with him owning a mistake - is whether he will actually do that?

    So far, given criminal charges, he has actually denied everything, and not taken responsibility despite it being recorded. So will he now publicly take responsibility and say 'yeah being a violent, abusive, rapey jerk is bad... don't do that everyone?"

    Why i think this is difficult for clubs, is they basically risk endorsing a complete lack of responsibility and consequence.
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    I understand clubs do actually do some advice/education in these areas. But I query whether this is an educational issue. Players know not to violently abuse women already.
     
  24. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    True, but abuse is a learned behavior. I'm certainly not excusing anything or anyone. But when you grow up in an abusive home (and have no idea if Greenwood did), abuse is learned as it is the normative behavior in your world. If you've never been taught how an actual relationship is supposed to work, you simply don't know. These education programs are vitally important for those who grew up with abuse.
     
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  25. johno

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    I think owning the mistake would be admitting he did it, in public and agreeing to do time in prison for a criminal act. Owning a mistake comes with consequences. If it doesn't cost something, it doesn't mean anything.
     
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