News: China! China! China!

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  1. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Yet didn’t a report come out a while ago that when the US war gamed this, it looked really bad regardless of the outcome?
     
  2. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Yes, in most scenarios the US and Taiwan came out on top or in a situation where they would do so eventually, but the losses were pretty staggering. And that's just the immediate ones - shifting to a world where China isn't everyone's factory is going to be painful to adjust to.

    The main issue is that America does a show of force if someone looks like they are going to invade. And that's a good thing, I think, because there's a chance you avoid conflict all together. But bringing in a couple aircraft carriers and populating Japanese bases with Air Force aircraft makes some inviting targets for long range missiles and China has a lot.

    This recent video goes into much more detail about the wargames.

     
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  3. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Another issue is that the level of training and ability among Chinese soldiers and sailors is pretty dismal. There are many reasons for this, but one important one is that China simply has not fought in a war in a long, long time.
     
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  4. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    In addition to this.. If you think Russia's corruption problem is bad, you should see China's. ;)
     
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  5. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    If there is a revolution maybe, the CCP has a lot of ways to control this, but it can always get out of-hand.

    But a good thing going for China is that there is no single country or single market big enough to replace China (as cheap as China).

    Having all kinds of factories in one country had the advantage that if you were some inventor that wants to manufacture a product quick and cheap, Chinese business would hook you up with all the needed supplies for your product, from metals, to fabrics, to motors, ect. China made the production supply chain very simple.

    That will be practically impossible to replicate.
     
  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    We could build millions of canoes, if we call them ships, would that help our Navy?
     
  7. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    No, because what's important are missiles. If you have more (correctly working) missiles than the other side, you win. So you need a ship big enough to carry lots of missiles. But more importantly, you need to be big enough to carry the radar that guides those missiles, and those things are massive, heavy, and very power hungry. So a big ship carrying 96 missiles with a very powerful radar is much, much more combat effective than a group of smaller ships with a dozen or two missiles each and weaker radar.

    But now you have your eggs in fewer baskets. A hit on the big ship will make it combat ineffective, a hit on one small ship does not effect the other small ships. So you have to decide how to balance that out.
     
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  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    As the population drops and the economy implodes, the CCP’s control is going to slip. Particularly as Xi has made anyone competent disappear or leave the country.

    This includes China btw. China’s labor costs are already quite a bit higher than a lot of countries (including Mexico) and that’s only going to get worse as the labor pool shrinks due to their lack of babies.

    All very true, but, again, that is largely a thing of the past for China.
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FWIW China is realising the same supply risks as the US and the need to onshore key industries

    War in Taiwan would be bad for them too. I think they were more interested in the Trumpian years when they cracked down in HK with no consequence.
     
  10. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Russia can but dream to aspire to the staggering incompetence and corruption of the modern CCP bureaucracy.
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Do you mean lately or historically?

    China has come quite far in the last decades and created powerful industries and competencies. Russia really has not done that.

    I agree in recent times Xi's regime is getting much worse
     
  12. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    The CCP admitted to fabricating the entire current population of Russia. These guys aren't even in the same league as each other.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    Communism is dumb and bad?
     
  14. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    We don't know exactly what happened to them, but it looks like everyone that took part in these protests has been quietly disappeared.



    We've never had this level of personal tracking in an authoritarian regime before. East Germany couldn't have imagined the level of knowledge the CCP has of every individual.

    It's now clear no one thing, no matter how big, can push this government over. If it isn't obliteration at the hands of an external military power (which is what it took to bring fascist Germany down), it has to be multiple simultaneous collapses in society. The way China is going, I'm pretty sure that will happen, but these things always take far longer than one expects.
     
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  15. ChrisSSBB

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  16. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Come back in three years to tell me I'm wrong but this China cannot conquer Taiwan and will not invade.
     
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  17. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    Just because they can't do it doesn't mean they won't do it.
     
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  18. NORML

    NORML Member+

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    here is my fun theory, the polar vortex occurring has pulled the balloon off track and into Canadian and US airspace.
     
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  19. marek

    marek Member+

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    this intrusion clearly demonstrates the ‘balloon gap’ that now exists in our ‘conflict’ with Communist China

    Biden has let the Red Chinese develop more and better balloons

    Congress needs to investigate this sad state of affairs where the US has once again fallen being our Communist adversaries
     
  20. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    ********ing GERMANY is way ahead of us in the balloons race.




    If they had 99 as of 1983, imagine how many they have now.
     
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  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    99 problems but shavin ain't one

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  22. marek

    marek Member+

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    but seriously... why don't we try to gather it and find out what it is?

    the Pentagon said it violated our air space, what are we waiting for?
     
  23. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
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    How do you know they aren’t doing that without taking it out of the air?

    You think we don’t know exactly what it is doing yet not doing anything about it?
     
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  24. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    I can guarantee you that the US is doing flyovers of China. Also… it’s a weather balloon.
     
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  25. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
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    You’re right, I don’t
    And we might too

    but this is an opportunity to put China on the defensive, let them explain and apologize
     

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