Future Ex-Utd Players - The Mason Greenwood thread

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  1. Chaz Striker

    Chaz Striker Member+

    Jul 26, 2005
    Denver
    Charges dropped homie. ******** you and your cancel culture. And for the record, ******** the fickle court of public opinion.
     
  2. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    What a horrid person you are.

    anywho, the club is conducting an internal investigation. While that is ongoing, he's still not allowed to train or play.
     
  3. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    The British Press destroyed their Ginger prince for being with an Octoroon. They go after black players for buying their mom's houses. And you think they won't eat alive a guy like Greenwood. You must inhabit different planet.
     
  4. halfnhalf89

    halfnhalf89 Member+

    Aug 19, 2008
    And yet Chad Evans is playing...
     
  5. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
  6. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    And so is Ronaldo...
     
  7. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    OK we don't really need to revisit this again. it's clear minds are made up either way.

    some think he's guilty regardless of verdict or evidence and others are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    all that matters now is what the club decides anyway
     
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  8. Chaz Striker

    Chaz Striker Member+

    Jul 26, 2005
    Denver
    It must be really hard for you to be stuck between hating the representation of black males in western society and sticking to your woke "we must take this man's fate into our own hands and punish/cancel him ourselves" bullshit. The hypocrisy must weigh heavy, especially since you clearly can't think for yourself. Ride your party line to the grave my guy.
     
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  9. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    I would say my view is much more nuanced but you are right at all comes down to what the club wants to do
     
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  10. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    your view is your view. you don't need to defend it to me.

    we'll just see what the club says whenever they make their decision
     
  11. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Yeah, my view is significantly more nuanced than guilty regardless of verdict. Horrible phrasing.
     
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  12. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    no it isn't because it was a statement in general. this thing does exist outside of this forum as well
     
  13. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Reducing what happened to that young woman to the opinions of those who think he's guilty/not guilty is harmful. In fact, that's the least nuanced view. Saying minds are made up when like 3 people have said words to the effect of "I don't know what should happen here" or "I don't know what to make of this development" demonstrates a shocking lack of reading comprehension.
     
  14. jscott23

    jscott23 Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jan 24, 2003
    Poway, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've spent the last 40 years of my life working with, teaching, coaching and mentoring young people, specifically athletes. This is a difficult time for all parties involved. For the purpose of this forum I'd like to say that I hope Manchester United does what is best for all concerned, not just what is expedient or "good optics." This man needs to rebuild his young life, and if it isn't at United then it will be somewhere else. I hope that United takes the position of "taking care of their own" and not just making this someone else's problem. That, in and of itself, is good for the club too. I would hope that the club could see its way to really get this kid the help he needs.Money and stardom comes too quickly for some, and proper guidance is key.

    All that said, he's still a "generational talent" that if fully rehabilitated could help this club immensely on the field, and potentially "pay back" the club for the support he is given. We talk about being a part of the "United family." Family needs to nurture and support. And sometimes that comes in the form of tough love. If he can grow and mature off the field, perhaps he can be a redemption story for our academy and our club. When you listen the stories of how many people came to the aid of Ravel Morrison in an attempt to get his life/career back on track it gives us all hope that Mason will get similar support. And just maybe he will show us all the strength of character that Ravel lacked. We already know he has the talent. Either way, I'm cheering for him.
     
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  15. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    i am not reducing anything because i don't definitively know what happened.

    if you want to assume that i assume minds are made up go ahead. the thread title alone speaks to that, nevermind the discourse within. if you want to limit the scope to you or a few then fine or pretend that's been the only opinion expressed fine. no problem.

    i get it. you get emotional with these things for whatever reason(s) - this, Ronaldo, Ratcliffe and wishing dick cancer etc.

    you've taken a general statement personal offence for whatever reason but OK if you want to continue down the path you and Chaz were going go right ahead. been through it and the name calling, accusations and whatever else and don't think it's useful but whatever works for you
     
  16. Stud83

    Stud83 Member+

    Jun 1, 2005
    I'm guessing this is exactly what the club is investigating. Withdrawal of key witnesses could easily mean just some sort of a pre-trial agreement/Greenwood agreeing to pay them to avoid trial. But they also mention 'new material that came to light'. The club is trying to find out whatever this 'new material' is.
     
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  17. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--

    Are you an actual moron? You said it was clear minds were made up. I don't have to assume it, I can read it. Just take your L and be quiet.
     
  18. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    I don't exactly know how you can have heard the audio and seen the pictures and not find the mere thought of cheering for this guy in a football stadium literally puke-inducing.
     
  19. Naboomagnoli

    Naboomagnoli Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Rehabilitation of someone’s life after making grave mistakes does not require them to go back to exactly the same job because they said they were sorry and learnt their lesson. Go set up a retreat for troubled young men to learn carpentry, or set up a sports centre / gym that also teaches kids from your local area how to respect women. Whatever.

    It’s specifically this idea that it’d be a real shame for Man Utd to lose a good footballer out of this that I find abhorrent. Learning your lesson with ‘mistakes’ of this magnitude simply should not involve you going back to exactly the same life.

    The longer people go on being ok with rapists playing football for their clubs as long it gets them goals/trophies etc, the more we will continue to hear about rape and sexual assault charges brought against football players. Because chances are the charges will fail to stick and everyone will conveniently pretend to believe that failure to convict = innocence, and choose to misunderstand what ‘innocent until proven guilty’ actually means.

    It genuinely creeps me tf out.
     
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  20. Chaz Striker

    Chaz Striker Member+

    Jul 26, 2005
    Denver
    It’s not lost on me that the two people who come on here and constantly speak in absolutes, think they have everything figured out. Nice to know we’ve got a couple of bastions of moral adeptness on here.
     
  21. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    What kind of grey area is there in this case? We know from the released materials that this guy beats up his girlfriend and doesn't understand or care about consent. From a moral point of view, this case is very, very simple.
     
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  22. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    He is not the victim here...
     
  23. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    I feel sorry for the women in your life.
     
  24. Holy__Joe

    Holy__Joe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 31, 2007
    Manchester
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    People seem to keep confusing the idea that not believing you'll get a conviction (when the main victim/witness will no longer testify) equals "They've decided he's innocent".

    Can't ever look at him the same way again, and at the end of the day this is football, he's not a brilliant medical practitioner or scientist or someone who will at least benefit others through being given continued opportunities in his field, if he loses out so be it.
     
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  25. Naboomagnoli

    Naboomagnoli Member+

    May 31, 2007
    If I ever caught you agreeing with me about anything then maybe I’d change my mind
     

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