The On-going Never-ending Brexit Story Part Four

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  1. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Is there anything dodgy that Zahawi isn't involved in?

     
  2. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Nope.

    Zahawi even personally froze Prince Harry's "Todger."
     
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  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    This stuff reminds me of the white colour corruption in the late 80s, that was cracked down on in the early 90s - or what we began to see in the Trump era

    Basically a large grey/white market emerges in what are obviously corrupt practices, because no boundaries are ever enforced. Then you get some scandals and some prosecutions are everyone is like 'wait... what... this is all crimes!"
     
  4. American Brummie

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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    They always do the worst of all world instead of sacking early and often
     
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  6. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    It takes a special skill to drag out a bad story that long.
    He should have been sacked as soon as it emerged he had settled with HMRC after threatening legal action against the journalist who reported it. All of the subsequent reports on him would have been largely meaningless to Sunak then.
    Pressure should now be on Zahawi to stand down as an MP. Too many dodgy stories about him makes his position untenable.
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Good question. Further highlights Sunak's weakness.

     
  8. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Leader of the Leave campaign in Brexit referendum calls for other country to join EU. It's almost as if Brexit was a vehicle for his personal ambition rather than an act of conviction.

     
  9. Sounders78

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    Now that his dad is French, has Boris tried applying for French citizenship so he can get an EU passport?
     
  10. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Journalists need to press him on this contradiction in every future interview with him.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    why do they interview him at all?
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    I'd guess he'd say it's the same as Churchill's suggestion just after the war that there should be a 'United States of Europe' but that Britain shouldn't be part of it.

    Of course, even that's a one-eyed version of history anyway...

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/10/01/churchill-the-european-has-been-written-out-of-history/

    A year later, in Zurich, he made a more famous speech calling “for a kind of United States of Europe”

    It goes on...

    In a recent book (Churchill on Europe), the Dutch historian, Felix Klos, has ranged far and wide in archives, the Churchill papers, diaries, memoirs both in English and continental languages. His research goes well beyond the limited inquiries by Tory English Churchill hagiographers. They are not quite honorary members of the Stalin school of falsification of history, but they go out of their way to belittle, or reduce to nugatory importance, Churchill’s enthusiasm for European unity between 1945 and 1951, and in the 1930s, or during the war.

    But he'd made speeches and comments before the war as well...

    A decade earlier, in the News of the World in 1938, Churchill said Britain should promote “every practical step which the nations of Europe may take to reduce the barriers which divide them and to nourish their common interests and their common welfare.” At the high-water mark of Tory isolationism, under Stanley Baldwin and Neville Chamberlain, Churchill urged the creation of common European postage stamps, a single currency, and a tariff union. He argued the menace of fascism and the threat of war would “draw together the peace-loving states and so contribute indirectly to the development of the pan-European ideal.”

    This is the problem. For clowns like Johnson, history is an a la carte menu where you can choose to include some 'facts' whilst ignoring others.
     
  13. rslfanboy

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  14. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Basically the country is in open revolt over Brexit and the revolt won't end until we are de facto back in.
     
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  15. Well, you're the last in the line, behind the Ukraine.
     
  16. Sounders78

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    If, and that's a big if, the EU ever welcomed the UK back in, then it would be 100% on the EU's terms with the UK accepting whatever they had to accept. You simply don't welcome the problem child back in without setting strict ground rules.
     
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  17. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Pretty sure they'd rather have us on the inside pissing out than the outside pissing in. They certainly don't want a heavily deregulated, potentially rogue market on their doorstep. Everyone can see what a disaster it's been, so I doubt anyone else is going to be looking to jump ship any time soon.
    Maybe some stricter terms in relation to the veto and a few other restrictions, but I think most would rather go back to where we were and pretend the last 7 years were a bad dream. I certainly don't think Schengen and the Euro would be required. We'll promise to keep Farage out of the parliament if that helps.

    This doesn't read like someone taking a hard line.

     
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  18. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I'd have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky Capitalist Marxists.

     
  19. American Brummie

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    How weak is Rishi Sunak if both of his predecessors are openly flaunting his leadership.
     
  20. Cop Shoot Cop

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    I suppose needing to have previous, failed leaders flaunt Sunak’s leadership is an indication of weakness, but is it possible that having them flout it would be a more overt signal of weakness?
     
  21. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    More so that both of those predecessors resigned for not having the confidence of their party, and are widely regarded as the two worst PMs we've ever seen.
     
  22. American Brummie

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    God damn it
     
  23. Naughtius Maximus

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    Yeah, there's a degree of wish fulfilment in some of this thinking, as if international political agreements are a morality play where bad behaviour is always punished..

    Frankly, it would be nice if it were.

    But, tbh, I think a closer working arrangement will be a gradual process and politicians will be looking toward their own interests at the time of the agreement.

    The euro is pretty much a non-starter I'd think because it would imply the ECB making itself responsible for UK public and private debt levels and neither they, nor us, would want that.

    QMV has only ever been in certain areas anyway, (despite what the brexiteer head-bangers claim), so, again, the issue of vetoes is probably moot in some respects.

    But I think the wider context is that what we're mainly talking about in terms of damage to the UK AND the EU economy has been the interruptions to trade and commerce and that's got very little to do with political matters. If we were either inside the SM and CU or 'closely aligned with them', (AKA back in them, effectively), there would be some stuff to be negotiated like who decides trade disputes but the reality is, it's largely irrelevant as most things in that area are decided on the legal position, not whether someone 'likes' someone else.
     
  24. Naughtius Maximus

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  25. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Yeah, it's never going to be a simple matter of rejoining on the spot. It could realistically be done over several electoral cycles, with manifestos offering increasing closer alignment.
    I just don't see any serious resistance from the EU
     

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