Who's next?

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by Sport Billy, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    San Diego San Diegans
     
  2. MelbaToast

    MelbaToast Member+

    Jun 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    AWV San Diego
     
  3. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would love to go back to this name but they still exist as an indoor team and guessing it would be pretty expensive and not sure it's worth it.

    This is actually been my vote for years. Since it has connections in English and Spanish so could even have a Bilingual crest.

    As for the stadium SDSU has been pretty open that they want an MLS team and that they are willing to sell some equity in the stadium in order to make it work. Snapdragon stadium is part of a wider expansion of the University which is going to require money so they're happy to take on partners.

    I watched the Don's comments about expansion around the Final and in both his annual press conference, and his comments at halftime he specifically mentioned Snapdragon stadium in a positive light which tells me he is okay with what what is being proposed.

    San Diego expansion talk over the last 30 years has felt like Lucy with the football. But this year feels different. We've always had the fans but never had the stadium or the owner. Finally have the stadium and if the rumors are true (and they seem pretty serious around here) we finally have the three pillars of a successful expansion franchise.

    And oh yeh my Loyal Season tickets now have an updated terms of conditions referencing any change of ownership hummmm...
     
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  4. midfielder467

    midfielder467 Member

    Jul 20, 2014
    Club:
    Central Coast Mariners
    How many games will other sports play there at Snapdragon Stadium
     
  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Tenants:
    Aztecs college football - 6 games in 2023
    Wave NWSL - 14+ games
    Legion MLR - 8+ games
     
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  6. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do any of the Aztecs other sports play there? Obviously built for football, but women's and men's soccer?
     
  7. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
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  8. DCW531

    DCW531 Member

    City SC
    Jan 31, 2017
    St. Louis, MO
    Looks like they are also hosting other events...

    Monster trucks, concerts etc..

    https://www.snapdragonstadium.com/events
     
  9. midfielder467

    midfielder467 Member

    Jul 20, 2014
    Club:
    Central Coast Mariners
    thanks
     
  10. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FWIW, largest US CSA/MSA's without an MLS Team:

    1. Detroit/Warren/Ann Arbor MI. 5,424,742. If you throw in Windsor, Canada (422,630) you are at 5,847,372.

    2. Phoenix/Mesa AZ. 4,999,734.
    3. Cleveland/Akron/Canton. 3,615,968.
    4. San Diego/Chula Vista/Carlsbad. 3,286,069
    This is an MSA. If you count TJ across the border at 2,157,853 you are looking at 5,443,922 in a would-be SD/TJ CSA.
    5. Tampa Bay/St. Petersburg. 3,219,514. MSA.

    Everything else is under 3 mil or is part of a larger CSA that has a team.

    There are a lot of nice candidates and faster growing markets in the 2-3 mil range: Vegas, Indy, Sacramento, San Antonio, Raleigh. But getting one of the bigger dogs makes a lot of sense.

    And I wouod not be opposed to a 2nd team in some CSAs (SF/Oak, Baltimore), smaller cities (Louisville, OKC, Tulsa, El Paso, etc), or even in a less-hip older city (Pittsburgh).

    We will see if World Cup fever can spark a new round of expansion to get us to 32, or past it. I do not think for a minute Garber wants to stop at 30. Or 32.
     
  11. Kev_K

    Kev_K Member

    Atl Utd
    Mar 21, 2008
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Non MLS Metros by 2020 GDP (billions $)
    1. Phoenix - 240
    2. Detroit - 220
    3. San Diego - 207
    4. Baltimore - 176 - too close to DC
    5. Inland Empire - 160 - west coast folks, will this market ever have its own pro sports?
    6. Tampa St Pete - 145
    7. Pittsburgh - 136
    8. Indianapolis - 125
    9. Sacramento - 122
    10. San Antonio - 116- too close to Austin
    11. Cleveland - 114
    12. Las Vegas - 100
     
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  12. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good info. Though I prefer CSA & MSA to the metro area. Though the GDP is good info. You are gonna be pulling fans, tickets, and folks buying merch, and watching on TV from more than just the metro area.

    Is SF/OAK not on that list?

    I do not count the Baltimore/San Antonio proximity as a negative. Quite the opposite. Built in Derby like Hell Is Real, Cascadia, and NY/LA.
     
  13. Kev_K

    Kev_K Member

    Atl Utd
    Mar 21, 2008
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1363 Kev_K, Feb 2, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2023
    Included it with San Jose subconsciously, lol

    With regards to markets close to one another, I'm assuming the billionaire owners will care more about their monopoly on the product.
     
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  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #1364 falvo, Feb 2, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2023
    If they want to go another direction, that’s another story but I seriously doubt the San Diego Sockers name and logo would cost that much.

    I mean how much does an entire indoor soccer team cost when comparing it to an MLS expansion fee?

    I doubt it costs more than $100k and if an MLS expansion fee costs $350 million , that’s peanuts.
     
  15. antnee7898

    antnee7898 Member

    Oct 19, 2007
    South Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IDK, San Antonio would be huge for South TX IMO. I don't think any serious soccer fans in San Antonio are buying merchandise or even really rooting for the Dynamo as long as San Antonio FC exists, so I don't think Houston's billionaire owner would stop their entry into MLS. If anything, it could mean more ticket sales having a third in-state rival. Especially one close enough to have lots of SA fans. I don't know how fans of Austin FC feel though.
     
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  16. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    I just can't see San Antonio getting a spot when it is only 80 miles from Austin.
    Why create a new market at the expense of an existing market?
     
  17. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Each time I see San Antonio mentioned, I keep remembering how the city’s mayor kept saying he had no interest in a soccer team or stadium.

    That was back around 2005-06 though so things could be different now as MLS has grown immensely ever since.
     
  18. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know Cincinnati is 90 miles from Columbus, right?

    Or that Philly is 94 miles from NY.
     
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  19. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Yep. I also know that is completely irrelevant
     
  20. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I keep reading about SF -Oakland but there really is nowhere to build it other than tearing down the Oakland Coliseum.

    I doubt they will build one in the City of San Francisco and I doubt they can afford land along the peninsula.

    Maybe where the old Candlestick Park stadium was but that is a terrible location which is why the Giants and 49ers both moved.
     
  21. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Socker's are building a new arena in North County. Don't know how much it will cost but has to be in the 10's of millions of dollars so guessing the right's to their name will be a lot more than 100,000 dollars.

    Rumor around town is the Loyal are involved so might stick with that name, which at first wasn't my fav but it has grown on me.
     
  22. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #1372 falvo, Feb 6, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2023
    Wow, they will own their own arena!

    For as long as I've followed the game across North America in the last 50 years, this will be the first time that I recall an an Indoor team building and owning their own arena.

    If this is true, good for them!

    In my opinion though, I still think something could be worked out as a team in San Diego should be named the Sockers as opposed to the 'Loyal'.
     
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  23. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First I agree I grew up going to Sockers games in the 80's so I have the nostalgia for it. But I've been waiting almost 30 years so will take anything.

    The arena is called Frontwave arena. https://www.sdsockers.com/oceanside not sure how much they are putting in themselves but they'll be the main tenet so pretty clear it would take more than a few 100 grand to get their name off them.
     
  24. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    It's just the Sockers name and logo is synonymous with the city when it comes to game that it’s hard to imagine a different one or a name like Loyal.

    That is the same reason on why the Earthquakes, Whitecaps, Sounders and Timbers were renamed after the old NASL clubs.
     
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  25. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    All true, but if they don't want to part with the name, there's not much you can do.
    They own it. You can't force them to sell or force them to sell at a reasonable price.
     

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