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  1. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2526 xbhaskarx, Jan 31, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2023
    US Soccer should go after 30 year old Reims coach William Still... and maybe that helps recruit Balogun (dual nats Jens Cajuste who chose Sweden and Amir Richardson also at Reims)







    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ue-1-club-30-couldnt-be-happier-neymar-mbappe

    At basically any point in my life, if someone had told me I’d be the head coach of a Ligue 1 side at 30, I’d have told them to punch me in the face. It would have been a totally ridiculous suggestion. The idea that, at 30, I’d be managing a team against Neymar, Kylian Mbappé, Sergio Ramos and Marco Verratti, and in the opposition dugout to Christophe Galtier, was equally mad.​
     
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  2. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USSF should use Nick Sirianni daughter to screen head coach candidates for excessive coach speak. Seems like she has a nose for it.

     
  3. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know, I just want this settled ASAP. I dont want to see a lot of screwing around like last time with the end result being another Gregg B. I want a foreign coach that comes in and only selects the best players. No favs, no over-the-hill players and builds for the future with a full roster of people that can actually be used. A coach with no connection to any current players. Everybody must win his position every game. I dont want Marsch or Curtin (too close to MLS, MLS players), though either would be better than GB. I have my fingers crossed but also am not confident what I want will happen
     
  4. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are truly delusional. Every coach in every sport ever has their favs. Period. And those players became a coaches fav for reasons. So tired of this mantra.

    You could bring in a coach that has zero tie to any player. And after several camps they will have guys they are impressed by and guys they aren't. And they will rely on those guys that they have been impressed by more than others. And then fans like you will be crying from the hills because the coach has his favs.
     
  5. Kirium

    Kirium Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK
    I think you're twisting slightly his intention of the post.

    My guess, and I am assuming, is that he's just saying a coach with no prior ties or very little so he can come in and pick the players he feels are best.

    Yes, you're right though, eventually that coach will have his favorites. He may in fact, be biased towards players from certain teams, etc. But I agree that in the initial phase it would be nice if a coach came in with an open mind. But that's a perfect world and we don't live in a perfect world.
     
  6. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    they would be favored on merit, though
     
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  7. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    I am not sure I get your meaning. Are you saying that Chile was complex because of how you described them, or that they were not complex because of how you described them. Is your opening question rhetorical?

    Anyway, Klopp's original quote used the words "well drilled" and "synchronized", not the word "complex". Well-drilled and synchronized seems to describe that Chile team quite well. So, it proves my point that it can be done if the right coach and the right player pool coincide. Though I would say their offense was fairly complex with constant interchange of positions and overlapping runs.
     
  8. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I should open 3 more BS accounts so I can quadruple-rep this.
     
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  9. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    One would hope but it wouldn’t be guaranteed

    I understand the desire to eliminate initial biases but biases will be there from the beginning regardless.
     
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  10. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    bs takes keeping the devil you know to a whole 'nother level...
     
  11. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't see any arguments here for "keeping the devil you know". Humans are human, and coaches are humans. Any coach selected will have their own quirks and biases. It's a neutral and rational expectation.
     
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  12. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thing is any new coach will have to know the players to some degree or who would get called in? So even with a brand new foreign coach with no ties they are going a to have some notion of the pool. There is also unknown instructions a coach gives that players follow or don't. Some may not look great following those instructions but I bet the coach likes that player especially if it allows the team to carry out a plan and win games. A lot of times players that coaches don't like are the flashy types fans love like Hoppe and KDLF.
     
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  13. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I don't think you can settle on a coach that has zero experience with our player pool ASAP. You have to do a lot of vetting and a lot of consideration if he fits and makes a good team with the players.
     
  14. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thats ok if they belong but what I dont want is to see guys like like Roldan, Long, Morris ... taking roster spots.
     
  15. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Devil you know is one idea but also... "a leopard doesnt change it's spots " is also true. GB is a failure IMO and giving him 4 more years will not change that. Move on. Its time
     
  16. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure what about my post makes you think I am advocating for another cycle for Gregg. Because I'm not, and I haven't been. In fact, I've been active in this thread at discussing and assessing various potential coaching candidates not named "Gregg Berhalter". The point of the post you quoted (which should have been plenty obvious, as it was clear and direct) is that ANY COACH that comes in will bring their own baggage of biases. To think otherwise is a fool's errand.
     
  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Roldan, Long, and Morris are not likely to be on the World Cup roster next time around (and this would be true even if Berhalter were returning). But I'm sure the next coach whoever it is, will have a couple players on the 2026 roster whose inclusion you disagree with.
     
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  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Such a coach would likely bring in an Anthony Hudson or some other US based assistant to have someone on the staff with familiarity with the player pool.
     
  19. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The French manager didn't even fill all of his slots. I'm guessing he didn't want those that wouldn't get any minutes to be around to have a bad attitude. So if you can fill those spots with know good attitudes that won't play then maybe favorites isn't the right word exactly.
     
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  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will say I get why you need end of the roster guys who will have a good attitude and won't complain if they don't play a ton. But we really did need an 8 who was capable of playing minutes and neither Roldan or LDLT were.

    I would have taken Arriola over Morris, but I don't think it would have a difference either way.

    I probably wouldn't have taken Long either, but whoever I would have taken wouldn't have played and it would have made zero difference.
     
  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  22. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
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  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't actually feel like the players need to have a big name European coach and that's the only person they'll respect. There was some speculation to that in the Athletic article and the source was one agent, and for all we know that was Gio Reyna's agent.

    In the end I imagine the player pool will respect any coach American or otherwise, if they think that person is a good coach who is good at connecting with the team. I'm not super worried about the team not respecting Steve Cherundolo for instance.
     
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  24. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Juventus... Leeds .... Same thing.

    What has gotten into this dude?
     
  25. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Exactly. McKennie has praised the national team setup under Berhalter in the past so we already knew he wasn't insulted at the idea of being coached by someone without a high level of achievement in the European game. It's just funny how some quotes aren't see as all that important or even entirely truthful, while others (like a player praising the high training standards of his new Euro club) are taken as simple honest truth.
     
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