2023 MLS Season

Discussion in 'Houston Dynamo' started by newtex, Dec 13, 2022.

  1. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    I just subscribed! Been trying to do that for a while, didn't know it was now active.
     
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  2. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Lot of stuff was free (and there will be weekly free matches I understand). Been waiting for my season ticket holder authentication (season ticket holders of MLS teams get MLS Season Pass for free which is a nice bonus). That finally came through from the Dynamo about 30 minutes ago.
     
  3. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    Well, I switched jobs over the summer and now live in a different state. The only way I'll get to watch is through paid subscription. There are things about the move to Apple TV I don't like for me personally (I liked having both MLS and the Bundesliga through ESPN+) and the hard-core fans, but for me it will be good because I'll probably get more content than I would have through ESPN+
     
  4. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    For the folks that don't want to subscribe, it's 6 matches per week free whether you are a subscriber or not. From standpoint of creating a paywall (or not) for fans, fact that so many matches will be available whether or not you subscribe is a big plus.
     
  5. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020
  6. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jeez.
    Our new players got a Gamba Osaka scoreline.
     
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  7. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020
    Yea, but also no one has seen a lineup from this game for either team. Maybe more details leak out so might as well wait for those.
     
  8. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Not too fussed about what happened in the first closed door friendly of the season. Still remember the season my Bears started 0-3 and went on to go 15-1 in the regular season and smash everyone en route to winning the Super Bowl.
     
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  9. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020
  10. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Can't tell who the stiff was that played at CB alongside Hadebe in the first half, but he was thoroughly abused on nearly every one of those goals (bar the one that whomever was left back got smoked on.
     
  11. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020
    If you’re talking about the one where the guy fell on his backside I think that was Dorsey. To add insult to injury I think the shot deflected off of him after he got up.
     
  12. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020
  13. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no Hulk on CA
     
  14. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah that 3 minute “Hold it Down” astroturf piece in barber shops I just couldn’t live without, especially when they all said it meant the same thing to each of them. Did anyone ever hear “hold it down” in daily Houston dialogue before this slogan?

    it’s a better organized version of the MLS site with some additional stuff. Not really interested in replays of last years’ 28th overall season games.
     
  15. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Dynamo preseason 2023:
    Times are CT

    Feb. 1: Club America 6-1 Dynamo 11:00 am
    Feb. 4: Tlaxacala v. Dynamo @ Toluca, MEX 11:00 am
    Feb. 7: UNAM Pumas v. Dynamo 11:00 am

    Feb. 11: TBA v. Dynamo @ Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Feb. 15: TBA v. Dynamo @ Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Feb. 18: Dynamo v. FC Dallas 7:30 pm

    No match report from the Dynamo that I can find. I don't think they ever officially acknowledged that the opponent for the first scrimmage changed from Toluca to Club America.
     
  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    RGV Toros are saying that they are playing the Dynamo on February 22. We shall see.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    you may recall me saying CB has 3 signed, hadn't really been addressed, and was all holdovers (steres bartlow hadebe). and that the LB was dropped but smith may not be playing. no one gives a sh*t about the substance of what i say. which is we have like 5 healthy backs signed (+dorsey and escobar), 6 with smith, and the CBs are all the same people save parker.

    to this point we have nil depth and 1 actual swapped out starter under deal. everyone else is either holdovers or presumably trialists.

    read the fine print maybe. to this point we have been more effective dumping than adding in the back. parker out adam out zeca out valentin out junqua not signed. if you think about it that should be a lot more than 3 guys going the reverse direction. 1 of whom can't play.
     
  18. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    i kind of start to glaze over watching but on at least 1 goal HH is like standing there a few yards away. this is part of what people didn't get on the former "vera problem." how many goals we would give up on a ball played from the endline back into a gap in front of the backs behind the mids. we are too "positional" and don't man mark track back consistently. so the ball back to the 6 slot is open too much.
     
  19. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This.
    And worse was gifting goals due to this plague of a problem, trying to play outta our deep defensive third when we were actually tied or even up with just minutes remaining. To end up conceding goals very late on and watch points slip away in cruel, self inflicted fashion.
    Coach Olsen MUST identify this disease and fix it here in 2023.
     
  20. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #70 juvechelsea, Feb 4, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2023
    i am not asking too much. on an episode of real sports, a former college athlete who deliberately tries to run his business with sports team methods (including pre-work day huddles), describes the process as (1) get the best people, (2) coach them into the best version of themselves, and (3) make them so happy they never leave. i contest we try to do (1) talent and (3) tenure anymore, and while we emphasize "culture" and act like the coaches will change things, i don't think we even get leading (2) figures to coach them up.

    in short -- no bradley, arena, or tata; no dero and ching or even elis; and few players who stay here very long.

    our scouting is not clever enough to moneyball our way to cheap talent. let's be real, there is an argument the 2017 team was in part a wilmer product which resulted in a better thing than jordan would otherwise do or would have done alone. the stories of airport meetings and wilmer suggesting names lead me to believe that was not normal process and thus not normal result.

    on tenure, boniek was an exception and there is no one left like that. and boniek had been here long enough to be competitive. we maybe even had a second boomlet of hondurans c. 2017 but as it became clear we either weren't trying or couldn't execute to repeat it, this quit being an attractive tegucigalpa north. to be fair, i want dramatic churn, but it says something we don't have a core of long term dynamo cheerleader types to build around anymore.

    if you don't start with the raw goods don't even worry about coaching getting the ceiling very high or retention. and then while olsen is an improvement, his star had fallen years ago so it's kind of akin to "coyle" vs. those who followed. better but not very good. why is it always incremental. exchange C- players for D+. exchange D coach for C coach. what about As and Bs? how do you expect to compete getting cute every hire or signing?

    we used to have a good coach who would get discussed when the NT had openings (though to be fair not anymore). we used to have a team of players who almost the whole lineup was NT-fodder. by 2017 we had some good NT types but some prosaic players. it's now mostly prose. conversely they seem to think they are more clever than they are, player accountability and change is slow, and the general impression is we lack urgency or a talent eye. you'll say but we found x or y, but not very many, and by pure chance you would likely trip over some players, particularly when one waves around the more checkbook tools. the problem is the batting average. batting average says it was something other than chance or the attraction of a check. to me the fact they blew HH is amazing because you shouldn't be even able to slightly screw up $4-5m a year. screwing that up should be a guy who disappoints by scoring 10 goals or 10 assists. how bad do you have to be at your job to get a complete clunker with a max deal like that. $4-5m for an occasional class play. not goals. not defense. really.

    i think it does the team and its fans an injustice to try and freshen the paint and cheerleader up for a team that to me doesn't surprise began preseason losing 6-1. the resources and urgency are not there. nor does this lineup look overwhelming. to be fair, early days. but i think you can tell and am bored of having to play along with "next year, cubs fan" bs optimism when the pattern is annoyingly clear. wtfu.
     
  21. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #71 juvechelsea, Feb 4, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2023
    maybe people have forgot that we started the elis era still playing some kickball -- the long wide outlets towards the speedy wings like elis. this tailed off when alex was traded and we moved in more of a half court direction. the long build half court soccer has not been beneficial as we are moderate to poor in skill and possession.

    the irony to me is i briefly played a 433 about a year in select under an english coach when i was on the B team before being promoted back up to the A team that played 352. and we played 433 hoof it up then either leave back to the mids or cross it in. it's crude but you reduce the turnovers on your own end. and if neither your talent is skilled nor the concept is to really pass the ball all the way into the net, why am i ground passing it slow and short repeatedly up the field to then cross it in the air? why not just get it upfield at once? how is crossing high percentage possession soccer? i mean when the old dynamo 442 crossed the ball they often played kickball. and this isn't even advocacy of kickball per se -- 352 i played in was a lot of ground ball stuff -- so much as match the personnel to the tactics, and match the tactics to the skill and the turnover aversion. why does a team that can't complete passes emphasize possession? and what good does passing around the back do? i realize you can move around a defense a little shifting the ball sideways, but not a disciplined one.

    if people watched holland, they actually for a team that usually goes tiki taka, played some counter soccer hoofball -- and beat the US trying to play like us. whack it to the wings. pick good crossers and targets, 6' guys. hit good crosses in. finish. somewhat crude but are we about clever and pretty or are we about winning games? i think global soccer has pivoted away from 433 tiki taka and is designed to exploit passe teams still playing it.

    last thought -- bare minimum -- when in trouble just clear the f*cking ball high and wide and end the risk. personally i feel like people have confused what they might like to watch with what they have on hand, or can even afford. the dynamo used to be very disciplined, basic, but effective. it's become a team that tries to get cute without elite players and this doesn't even look that cute because it can't execute to produce the highlight reel 30 pass goal. which IMO is often the result of watching a sh*t defense but i digress. i mean where i came from if you wanted to fart around in the back my team would sit at the half line watching you for a half hour before storming down the field for counter goals when you finally moved up.

    high press? risky passing from the back? i feel like i am watching dumb U14s.....let me compound my mistake with another.....

    personally i feel like the tactical discussion is too abstract and needs to become with this roster and this league how are we most competitive, cute, crude, however. bare minimum has to defend a lot better. i think the debate has been taken over by snobs and stats nerds who don't consider the actual players on hand.
     
  22. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    Wait, I thought you wanted to bring guys in and then ship them out immediately if they don’t cut it.
     
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  23. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Development and patience is usually about priority #47 on Juve's blueprint on how to run the Dynamo. He'd like to ship DPs to the USL after 5 games if he could
     
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  24. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    i am talking about keeping a good core together. surely you grasp i mean "elis" types. do you really think i am talking about making "valentin" or "zeca" happy and here? are you so eager to make this a personal attack or fictionalize contradictions you can't comprehend how "find better people" and "cut the crap ones" works with "keep them happy and here?" if i "cut the bad ones" then they aren't here to worry about their happiness.

    i already explained the other day where the newer emerging problem is we can't even keep the "good" or even "debatable" ones happy enough at our glacial rebuild pace to accumulate something from the rare positives. thus we are losing the "davis" or "boniek" element that used to prop this up.

    if you remember what i was saying is this needs to happen fast enough the good ones don't start demanding trades and transfers. that actually implies noving on the sh*t ones a lot faster.

    duh
     
  25. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #75 juvechelsea, Feb 4, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2023
    also, if you read my d*mn post at all you would have read that we don't do (1) personnel right. if you don't have that right wtf do you think we are to step (3) retention then.

    obviously i would be talking (1) churn and not (3) retention if i screw up at step (1).

    nonetheless if a team is slowly gathering the occasional decent player i might still want what few elises i accidentally find kept a la step (3). duh. i was never advocating baby with bathwater. i was however advocating the bathwater be fully drained and not partially which is the (1) failure. if you don't have quality then (2) coaching and (3) retention are besides the point and you might as well get used to losing.

    i was saying a team as bad as long as us starts to chronically fall behind if it can't even keep what few good ones it has eg the reboot 2020 with manotas and elis. that makes it even longer.

    jesus people are stupid.
     

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