Ukraine v Russia II

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  1. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

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    BRICS dude! BRICS. Haven't you been paying attention?
     
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  2. You know I ment your assertion about the African currency.
     
  3. Robert Borden

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    #7128 Robert Borden, Jan 31, 2023
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    Lula's stance on the conflict is much more nuanced
    https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-luiz-inacio-lula-da-silva-mercosur-olaf-scholz/
    • While he said that Russia committed "a classic mistake" by invading Ukraine's territory, he also argued that neither side was showing sufficient willingness to resolve the war via negotiation: "No one wants to back down a millimeter," he said.
    While I can't state every interests/relationships countries may have with Russia, some of those reasons are; access to cheaper energy & commodities also weaponry - like the Indian minister pointed out in a video I previously posted. In Africa, you have countries expelling the French or looking to do so like Mali and Burkina Faso and have the Russians take their place - Italian PM Meloni gave a pretty passionate speech on how the French were royally screwing Africa.

    Of course, there's also the potential implementation of an alternate payment system allowing global south nations to escape sanctions and start the process of dedollarisation. They repeatedly vote at the UN for the end of unilateral sanctions which is routinely ignored by the West.

    All things I think could be countered and mitigated with a change of our diplomatic approach which is overdue. Having the Global South on our side would "truly" isolate Russia and make our sanctions devastating. We're finding out that we're making things more difficult without them.
     
  4. argentine soccer fan

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    One thing that Russia does well - and the old Soviet Union also did well - is spread misinformation. And they've done a lot of it in Latin America. So, leaders like Lula or Bolsonaro (or Kirchner in Argentina) do benefit from pandering to a large segment of the population that sympathizes with Russia.
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    Would that be the fascist Meloni?

    Another leader with nuanced views?
     
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  6. Robert Borden

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    Europeans didn't always love or trust one another. If China and Russia could fix their issues when they had poor relations until the end of the cold war (we actually pushed them each other's arms due to bad diplomacy), why wouldn't other nations be able to do the same? Never thought Iran and the Saudis would ever try to fix their issues.
     
  7. Robert Borden

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    Didn't she fall in line like you wanted? She's all in for Ukraine last I checked
     
  8. Ehhh, their newspaper was called PRAVDA.
    You know what that means, don't you?
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    sorry I am still snorting with laughter at quoting a fascists ideas to fix Africa
     
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  10. marek

    marek Member+

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    Pravda and Izvestia, two main Soviet newspapers

    Pravda = Truth
    Izvestia = News

    there is no pravda in Izvestia and there is no izvestia in Pravda
     
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  11. Robert Borden

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    Diplomacy
    Greek Prime Minister explained the refusal to supply Leopards to Kiev by strained relations with Turkey.
    Athens rules out supplying Leopard tanks to Ukraine so as not to disrupt Greek «defensive strategy» (msn.com)

    U.S. says Russia violating New START nuclear arms control treaty | National Post


    Economic war
    Russia Sidesteps Western Punishments, With Help From Friends - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
    • On Monday, the International Monetary Fund said it now expected the Russian economy to grow 0.3 percent this year, a sharp improvement from its previous estimate of a 2.3 percent contraction.
    Germany Still Years Away From Replacing Russian Gas Capacity - Bloomberg
    It will take until 2026 for the country to install 56 billion cubic meters of domestic LNG import capacity.

    New York Gasoline Shortage Brews on EU’s Russia Ban Fallout - Bloomberg
    EU anti-Russian sanctions may lead to a shortage of gasoline in the US in the summer

    Egypt, Russia plan to increase share of settlements in national currencies (trend.az)

    Dollar Dominance Under Threat: 5 New Challenges to the Greenback's Reign (businessinsider.com)
     
  12. Potowmack

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    This makes Lulu look like a moron. What, exactly, is Ukraine supposed to be willing to give up? As has been stated thousands of times by people smarter than him, this war could end tomorrow if the Russians wanted it to.

    None of this has anything to do with Ukraine. If they're having a tough time getting Russian oil, that's solely Russia's fault. They should be putting pressure on Russia.

    What kind of sanctions regime do they have in mind? And the current sanctions are in no way "unilateral."

    What would it take to get the Global South on our side in this conflict? I have a feeling the price wouldn't be worth it.

    Look, I get it, the Global South probably doesn't care much about Ukraine, which is their right. A purely European conflict isn't really their problem. That being said, why should the West care about their concerns? Defeating Russia is much more important than appeasing the Global South.
     
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  13. argentine soccer fan

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    Well, I suppose we could stop exporting our futbol players. Watch your leagues implode.

    :D
     
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  14. argentine soccer fan

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    I knew that, even before our Polish friend gave the answer.
     
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  15. Boandlkramer

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    Samma Weltmeister!
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    Same Saddam….that shadow government made up of exiles never really planned out did it?
     
  16. Potowmack

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    Your soccer players are just as big of whores for money as any other athlete. No way they'd go for that.
     
  17. celito

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    In his view, Ukraine brought it upon themselves by trying cozy up with the West. Mind you he also doesn't approve of Putin's invasion, but he feels that it was a defensive move against Western expansionism and influence rather than Russia expansionism.

    Interestingly enough, I think Zelensky has placed him under the list of Russian propaganda actors. It's the Bush doctrine of you're either with us or against us that many in the media have been throwing out by labelling any different idea as Russian propaganda.

    Remember that the US sponsored coups to prop up conservative / military dictatorships in South America to squash any sort of communist / socialist movement. Lula came up in the mid to late 70s about halfway and towards the 2nd half of the dictatorship period. Lula isn't and was never really a communist, but he was viewed and labelled as such. But while he isn't, he is vocally against the American capitalist system and it's imperialistic doctrine of bringing democracy and freedom to countries around the world through wars. So it's understandable that he doesn't really trust the US and its motives.
     
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  18. Well, what I posted now is being confirmed by insiders of the Kremlin
    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/worl...allyamov-russia-election-ukraine-ebof-vpx.cnn
    Former Putin aide: Coup a ‘real possibility’
    Story by Stephen Neukam • Yesterday 5:25 PM
    A former speechwriter for Russian President Vladimir Putin predicted that a military coup was possible for the country in the next year, pointing to a deteriorating economy and the growing unpopularity of the war in Ukraine.
    Abbas Gallyamov, Putin’s former speechwriter who is now a political commentator, said the Russian president could be facing a rising tide of opposition at home as the war wears on, in an interview with CNN.

    “The Russian economy is deteriorating,” Gallyamov said. “The war is lost. There are more and more dead bodies returning to Russia, so Russians will be coming across more difficulties and they’ll be trying to find explanation why this is happening, looking around to the political process and they’ll be answering themselves: ‘Well, this is because our country is governed by an old tyrant, an old dictator.’”
    And as people confront this reality, Gallyamov argues, “a military coup will become possible.”

    “So in one year when the political situation changes and there’s a really hated unpopular president at the head of the country and the war is really unpopular, and they need to shed blood for this, at this moment, a coup becomes a real possibility,” he said.

    The country is scheduled to hold a presidential election in 2024, but Gallyamov said he thinks there is a possibility that Putin cancels the elections in the face of the war.

    Western allies in recent days have beefed up their support for Ukraine, with the U.S. and Germany both agreeing to send tanks to the warring country.
     
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  19. superdave

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    @Robert Borden , can you square a circle for me? One of the main themes of your recent posts is that the everything that happens in the world is caused by (broad definition) the West, that the rest of the world has no agency. And yet you think the utterly feeble rest of the world is poised to overtake the omnipotent West.

    How can both of these things be true?
     
  20. Boandlkramer

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    Samma Weltmeister!
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    The *global* south will rise again!!!! [emoji23]
     
  21. roby

    roby Member+

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    You're not thinking outside the box. You need a Transmogrifier.

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  22. spejic

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    You are thinking outside of the box... by using a box.

    Woah. That's like... boxception.
     
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  23. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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  24. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    The reason we are not giving Ukraine the ATACMS may simply be that we don't have a lot and we want to keep them. The GLSDB is new build, so it will take time to get to Ukraine in numbers, but it uses the (essentially free) surplus rocket from the cluster bomb weapons we took out of service and 250lb bombs are cheap and common, and the guidance kits aren't very expensive either.

    The Small Diameter Bomb has some pretty extreme maneuverability. It can go around the target and attack it from the back or any other advantageous angle.
     
  25. roby

    roby Member+

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    Be careful as that could start a rebellion. I remember getting that in my briefs. :notworthy:
     

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