Spaghetti Weston: McKennie at Juventus

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  1. aeschylusdanceparty

    NYRB
    United States
    Jun 3, 2021
    Leeds United And It feels So Good: Weston and Friends
     
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  2. aeschylusdanceparty

    NYRB
    United States
    Jun 3, 2021
    So do Leeds have right of first refusal? Will there be a set amount that they can pay to trigger the buy at the end of the season? If Weston plays great, can another PL team still make a suprerior offer that Leeds will have to match?
     
  3. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Four Yorkies of the Apocalypse: Wes, Tyler, Brendan, and Marsch
     
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  4. Dizi

    Dizi Member

    Feb 13, 2015
    Club:
    DC United
    The way I understand "obligation" rather option to buy is that Leeds have all but bought him and deferred timing of full payment.

    No other team can swoop in (just like his move from Schalke to Juve...when juve determined for sure that he fit their plans then they only had to pay the agreed upon fee and the deal was done)
     
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  5. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Yeah the way this is being reported is that basically the only way Leeds don't purchase him is if they get relegated or if McKennie plays less than 10 games (which I could really only see happening if he immediately picked up a major injury or something).
     
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  6. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no reason he can't jump right into the next game .... I will focus on the GD once Wes starts to contribute and see how it plays out in the next 5 matches.
     
  7. mattjens

    mattjens Member

    United States
    Jun 2, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How long does it typically take to get a UK work permit for someone like McKennie, who is coming from another country but clearly meets the eligibility requirements?
     
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  8. randomnoise

    randomnoise Member

    United States
    Mar 26, 2017
    I Predict A Riot: Weston McKennie @ Leeds
     
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  9. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    #17434 zlatan_but_a_car, Jan 30, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2023
    EDIT: the more I read this, the more it's clear that the process of acquiring a work permit is complex... I still think Weston easily clears the requirements for a Work Permit, but the application process is confusing... it seems simultaneously synchronous AND asynchronous because The FA has to work with both the teams (agile; quick to respond) and the British Government (bloated; in perpetual chaos post-Brexit), so the process is built to be seamless as long as the FA can easily determine if the player is "significant" enough to get a Work Permit.

    Personally, I think that if Weston doesn't make the bench this weekend, it's because he needs more time in training... I don't think the Work Permit will be a hurdle...

    Also, does any of this even matter? I thought Weston had an EU passport because he was born in Germany when his dad was serving? IDK, maybe I made that up...
     
  10. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
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  12. mattjens

    mattjens Member

    United States
    Jun 2, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He lived in Germany when he was young, but he was born in the US.
     
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  13. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Ahhhh. Okay, so, yeah, he'll need a permit, but while the home office might not update his status for a month or more, it seems like he'll get his permit as long as he meets the Auto-pass criteria for international appearances (making appearances in 40% or more of competitive USMNT matches in the past 2 years).

    Even if he doesn't hit auto-pass, he'll easily pass the rest of the points rating system: because the USMNT is #13 in the World, if Weston appeared in 30% of competitive matches, he'll get 10 points and needs 15 to qualify. The next criteria is '% of domestic minutes played at the player's last club in the current season'. This is also subject to a tier system (well, to differ the terminologies, a 'band system'), and Serie A is in Band A, meaning that Weston would only need to have played 30% or more of Juventus' league minutes this season to put him past the 15-point threshold. The next criteria is % of team minutes in continental competition during the current season with more points given to CL than EL or conference league.

    So... yeah. No problems. He probably already possesses his GBE, which he now shows to the UK Home Office within the next 3 months. The Home Office will give him a T2 work visa, and he's set until the moves clubs.
     
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  14. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Germany doesn't give citizenship based solely on place of birth.
     
  15. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Not long. He could be available for selection this weekend.

    He meets all the criteria.
     
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  16. bakerkdb

    bakerkdb Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    British Gov may be bloated (although not in comparison to US Gov) they are not in perpetual chaos post Brexit when dealing with a non-EU citizen. Brexit has no bearing on this whatsoever.

    Weston's case will be a pretty straightforward WP just like any other US Player playing in UK. It will move pretty quick.
     
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  17. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus, being a German doesn't help with a UK WP post-Brexit.
     
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  18. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    And having EU citizenship isn't relevant in the post-Brexit UK anyway.
     
  19. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Based on the manual, it sounds like there is a difference between the actual "T2 Work Permit" and the sponsorship from an employer required for the work permit. The latter is pretty speedy (and is what the various qualification scores count towards), but the FA gives a 3 month cushion for the former.

    I'm not going to argue that the system in the US isn't just as dumb and bloated, but the comparison here is between the government (slow) and the clubs / FA (fast). All I was trying to say is that, even if Wes doesn't have his "work permit" proper, he will be allowed to play as long as he qualifies for sponsorship.

    And, of course, maybe I'm misunderstanding the whole thing. The manual is clearly geared towards the administrative staff at the clubs who actually have to do all this s***.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He easily qualifies under the criteria. I doubt it takes longer to than a week to get the permit itself (and possibly shorter).
     
  21. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    I think his Harry Potter goal celebration qualifies him as a British Citizen / wizard. Eligibility should be no problem.
     
  22. bakerkdb

    bakerkdb Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    He will qualify fairly easily. They actually have separate people that work Celebrity/Sports WP’s especially ones that are time sensitive. He won’t be standing in line with 6,000 applicants from the former empire waiting to plead his case.
     
  23. RecLeague Super Sub

    Fulham
    United States
    Jun 5, 2019
    I don't know, it may take time for Wes to get 'clarity" and "clearness" on the tactics.
    For those of you who may not know, every single press conference, Win/Lose/Draw, Jesse mentions the team is getting better on "clarity" and getting "clear" on how they want to play and their tactics. It may be true, but I am hoping he starts using new buzz words.

    I know there are only so many cliché's you can keep throwing out there to appease the press every week. I would love to see Wes jump in and make a difference. Let's all just hope they stay up this season.
     
  24. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Definitely would not count on that - Leeds it a systems team, he's gonna need to integrate and understand the triggers for the press and where responsibilities lie or the whole thing falls apart pretty quickly. I think Wes is a quick study and is a really likely sub, but when the team has been playing well collectively (despite scoring challenges) in an important relegation battle I think Wes starts this one on the bench.
     

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