Thanks again buddy for your incredible efforts in adding votes for all these years. Of course, once we have finished the 2022 votes but also the pre-1950 votes, and some stability, which I assume will be during the spring (?), I will take over the votes and try to do the updates with the new voters, to take some of the work off your shoulders. I had some questions about the templates. Do you think I should use the BigSoccer concensus winners instead or should I use the Big Soccer + Reddit concensus for this? Concerning the Youtube videos, I have a channel I like named Dunia Zen: https://www.youtube.com/@DuniaZen_BallondOr I could try to contact him to see if we can do some interesting things with him, especially with the archive images when possible. Then I would have to know if he is interested or not. I'll let you know, once we manage to gather enough votes and stability.
Ok mate - I don't have a clear view or preference really myself on whether it would be better to include Reddit voters. Maybe yes (they are already included in the pre-2000 tallies of course, but it's just that there are very few of them voting at that point).
@IceBlood34 maybe this is interesting to you, and maybe @Krokko can provide clarification about how it was arrived at even (I remember IceBlood that you were interested in the topic anyway - I don't know whether there might be an argument for more recent players to be among the best ever...which maybe seems weird for me to say as I might tend the other way if anything with male players lol...but I could also just not know enough about enough female players from the past of course: anyway I might not be so much thinking of an influx of the successful English team (and I think some people if I remember/understand correctly from some comments on TV do still think of Kelly Smith as the best individual English female player), but there are others like Pernille Harder for example who maybe would have a claim based on their best level in recent years - Krokko might have some insight on that particular call though anyway, being Swedish, and Harder being from neighbouring Denmark) Football Ratings: The 30 best female soccer players in history (football-ratings.blogspot.com) 1. Mia Hamm (USA) 2. Marta (Brazil) 3. Birgit Prinz (Germany) 4. Christine Sinclair (Canada) 5. Abby Wambach (USA) 6. Sun Wen (China) 7. Homare Sawa (Japan) 8. Michelle Akers (USA) 9. Kristine Lilly (USA) 10. Nadine Angerer (Germany) 11. Carli Lloyd (USA) 12. Hege Riise (Norway) 13. Cristiane (Brasil) 14. Kelly Smith (England) 15. Julie Foudy (USA) 16. Hope Solo (USA) 17. Alex Morgan (USA) 18. Lotta Schelin (Sweden) 19. Christie Pearce (USA) 20. Joy Fawcett (USA) 21. Megan Rapinoe (USA) 22. Julie Fleeting (Scotland) 23. Tiffany Milbrett (USA) 24. Bente Nordby (Norway) 25. Heidi Mohr (Germany) 26. Brianna Scurry (USA) 27. Louisa Necib (France) 28. Renate Lingor (Germany) 29. Formiga (Brazil) 30. Sissi (Brazil)
Thanks so much for the information, buddy. It's very interesting to see other people's opinions about this. Nevertheless I'm more interested in the best players ranking of each year and not the all time ranking, but thanks for the link. I'll try to dig into this again soon in the Women's Soccer Big Soccer forum section.
Updated version 12.0 so far (1950-2021): ONLY FOR BIG SOCCER PANEL CONSENSUS 1950: Ademir, Puskas, Zizinho, Schiaffino, Varela 1951: Nordahl, Liedholm, Di Stefano, Gren, Wilkes 1952: Puskas, Kubala, Kocsis, Bozsik, Di Stefano 1953: Puskas (2), Hidegkuti, Kopa, Matthews, Walter 1954: Kocsis, Walter, Puskas, Schiaffino, Di Stefano 1955: Di Stefano, Kopa, Schiaffino, Kocsis, Puskas 1956: Di Stefano (2), Kopa, Schiaffino, Julinho, Matthews 1957: Di Stefano (3), Didi, Kopa, Sivori, Edwards 1958: Pelé, Didi, Kopa, Di Stefano, Fontaine 1959: Di Stefano (4), Pelé, Luis Suarez, Didi, Kopa 1960: Puskas (3), Luis Suarez, Pelé, Di Stefano, Yashin 1961: Pelé (2), Sivori, Garrincha, Luis Suarez, Spencer 1962: Garrincha, Pelé, Masopust, Eusebio, Coutinho 1963: Pelé (3), Rivera, Greaves, Yashin, Eusebio 1964: Pelé (4), Luis Suarez, Law, Eusebio, Amancio 1965: Pelé (5), Eusebio, Facchetti, Luis Suarez, Mazzolla 1966: Eusebio, Charlton, Beckenbauer, Moore, Pelé 1967: Albert, Johnstone, Charlton, Cruyff, Rocha 1968: Best, Charlton, Dzajic, Eusebio, Pelé 1969: Pelé (6), Rivera, Tostao, Riva, Cruyff 1970: Pelé (7), Jairzinho, Muller, Tostao, Gerson 1971: Cruyff, Best, Mazzolla, Beckenbauer, Netzer 1972: Cruyff (2), Beckenbauer, Muller, Netzer, Jairzinho 1973: Cruyff (3), Muller, Beckenbauer, Zoff, Rivera 1974: Cruyff (4), Beckenbauer, Deyna, Muller, Neeskens 1975: Blokhin, Beckenbauer, Figueroa, Cruyff, Alonso 1976: Beckenbauer, Rensenbrick, Figueroa, Zico, Passarella 1977: Keegan, Cruyff, Simonsen, Zico, Platini 1978: Kempes, Rensenbrick, Dalglish, Rossi, Keegan 1979: Maradona, Keegan, Zico, Falcao, Rummenigge 1980 : Maradona (2), Rummenigge, Zico, Schuster, Platini 1981: Zico, Rummenigge, Maradona, Breitner, Platini 1982: Zico (2), Falcao, Rossi, Rummenigge, Giresse 1983: Platini, Falcao, Zico, Dalglish, Socrates 1984: Platini (2), Tigana, Rush, Zico, Francescoli 1985: Platini (3), Maradona, Elkjaer, Schuster, Boniek 1986: Maradona (3), Lineker, Belanov, Platini, Butragueno / Careca 1987: Maradona (4), Gullit, Futre, van Basten, Sanchez 1988: Gullit, van Basten, Maradona, Koeman, Rijkaard 1989: van Basten, Maradona, Baresi, Matthaus, Rijkaard 1990: Matthaus, Maradona, Baresi, Brehme, Schilaci 1991: Papin, Matthaus, Savicevic, Pancev, Prosinecki 1992: van Basten (2), Stoichkov, Laudrup, Bergkamp, Schmeichel 1993: Baggio, Bergkamp, Romario, Laudrup, Cantona 1994; Romario, Stoichkov, Baggio, Maldini, Hagi 1995: Litmanen, Weah, Klinsmann, Laudrup, Maldini 1996: Ronaldo, Sammer, Weah, Shearer, Del Piero 1997: Ronaldo (2), Zidane, R Carlos, Bergkamp, Mijatovic 1998: Zidane, Ronaldo, Suker, Bergkamp, Rivaldo 1999: Rivaldo, Beckham, Shevchenko, Figo / Batistuta 2000: Zidane (2), Figo, Shevchenko, Rivaldo, Totti 2001: Figo (2), Raul, Owen, Zidane, Kahn 2002: Zidane (3), Ronaldo, R Carlos, Ballack, Kahn 2003: Nedved, Henry, Zidane, van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo 2004: Henry, Ronaldinho, Shevchenko, Deco, Nedved 2005: Ronaldinho, Lampard, Gerrard, Henry, Adriano 2006: Cannavaro, Ronaldinho, Henry, Zidane, Buffon 2007: Kaka, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Drogba, Totti 2008: Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, F Torres, Xavi, Casillas 2009: Messi, Xavi, Iniesta / Cristiano Ronaldo, Eto'o 2010: Messi (2), Sneijder, Xavi, Iniesta, Cristiano Ronaldo 2011: Messi (3), Cristiano Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Rooney 2012: Messi (4), Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Pirlo, Xavi 2013: Messi (5), Cristiano Ronaldo, Ribery, Ibrahimovic, Robben 2014: Cristiano Ronaldo (2), Messi, Robben, Neuer, Suarez 2015: Messi (6), Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez, Lewandowski 2016: Cristiano Ronaldo (3), Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Neymar 2017: Cristiano Ronaldo (4), Messi, Neymar, Buffon Buffon 2018: Messi (7?) / Modric, Cristiano Ronaldo, Salah, Griezmann 2019: Messi (8?), van Djik, Mané, Cristiano Ronaldo, Hazard 2020: Lewandowski, De Bruyne, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Mbappé 2021: Messi (9?), Lewandowski, Kanté, Benzema, De Bruyne # All years tallies contain one vote from a Reddit voter until 1989, in addition to all the Big Soccer voter votes. # The tallies for the 1990 to 1996 Ballon d'Or votes include two sets of votes from Reddit voters, and the tallies for the 1997 to 1999 versions contain three. Number of win for each winners of the Ballon d'Or over the period 1950-2021 so far (only BigSoccer panel): - Messi (9 ?) (one shared with Modric) - Pelé (7) - Di Stefano (4) - Cruyff (4) - Maradona (4) - Cristiano Ronaldo (4) - Puskas (3) - Platini (3) - Zidane (3) - Zico (2) - van Basten (2) - Ronaldo (2) - Figo (2) - Ademir (1) - Nordahl (1) - Kocsis (1) - Garrincha (1) - Eusebio (1) - Albert (1) - Best (1) - Blokhin (1) - Beckenbauer (1) - Keegan (1) - Kempes (1) - Gullit (1) - Matthaus (1) - Papin (1) - Baggio (1) - Romario (1) - Litmanen (1) - Rivaldo (1) - Nedved (1) - Henry (1) - Ronaldinho (1) - Cannavaro (1) - Kaka (1) - Modric (1) (one shared with Messi) - Lewandowski (1) If we extend to the number of times listed in the top 5 (and among top 3), we find the above players in more numbers of times mentioned so far (with a minimum of 6 nominations): - Messi (15 times with 15 times among top 3) - Cristiano Ronaldo (14 times with 11 times among top 3) - Pelé (12 times with 10 times among top 3) - Maradona (9 times with 9 times among top 3) - Di Stefano (9 times with 5 times among top 3) - Cruyff (8 times with 5 times among top 3) - Zico (8 times with 5 times among top 3) - Beckenbauer (7 times with 6 times among top 3) - Zidane (7 times with 5 times among top 3) - Platini (7 times with 3 times among top 3) - Puskas (6 times with 5 times among top 3) - Kopa (6 times with 5 times among top 3)
Updated version 12.0 so far (1950-2021): FOR BIG SOCCER + REDDIT PANEL CONSENSUS 1950: Ademir, Puskas, Zizinho, Schiaffino, Varela 1951: Nordahl, Liedholm, Di Stefano, Gren, Wilkes 1952: Puskas, Kubala, Kocsis, Bozsik, Di Stefano 1953: Puskas (2), Hidegkuti, Kopa, Matthews, Walter 1954: Kocsis, Walter, Puskas, Schiaffino, Di Stefano 1955: Di Stefano, Kopa, Schiaffino, Kocsis, Puskas 1956: Di Stefano (2), Kopa, Schiaffino, Julinho, Matthews 1957: Di Stefano (3), Didi, Kopa, Sivori, Edwards 1958: Pelé, Didi, Kopa, Di Stefano, Fontaine 1959: Di Stefano (4), Pelé, Luis Suarez, Didi, Kopa 1960: Puskas (3), Luis Suarez, Pelé, Di Stefano, Yashin 1961: Pelé (2), Sivori, Garrincha, Luis Suarez, Spencer 1962: Garrincha, Pelé, Masopust, Eusebio, Coutinho 1963: Pelé (3), Rivera, Greaves, Yashin, Eusebio 1964: Pelé (4), Luis Suarez, Law, Eusebio, Amancio 1965: Pelé (5), Eusebio, Facchetti, Luis Suarez, Mazzolla 1966: Eusebio, Charlton, Beckenbauer, Moore, Pelé 1967: Albert, Johnstone, Charlton, Cruyff, Rocha 1968: Best, Charlton, Dzajic, Eusebio, Pelé 1969: Pelé (6), Rivera, Tostao, Riva, Cruyff 1970: Pelé (7), Jairzinho, Muller, Tostao, Gerson 1971: Cruyff, Best, Mazzolla, Beckenbauer, Netzer 1972: Cruyff (2), Beckenbauer, Muller, Netzer, Jairzinho 1973: Cruyff (3), Muller, Beckenbauer, Zoff, Rivera 1974: Cruyff (4), Beckenbauer, Deyna, Muller, Neeskens 1975: Blokhin, Beckenbauer, Figueroa, Cruyff, Alonso 1976: Beckenbauer, Rensenbrick, Figueroa, Zico, Passarella 1977: Keegan, Cruyff, Simonsen, Zico, Platini 1978: Kempes, Rensenbrick, Dalglish, Rossi, Keegan 1979: Maradona, Keegan, Zico, Falcao, Rummenigge 1980 : Maradona (2), Rummenigge, Zico, Schuster, Platini 1981: Zico, Rummenigge, Maradona, Breitner, Platini 1982: Zico (2), Falcao, Rossi, Rummenigge, Giresse 1983: Platini, Falcao, Zico, Dalglish, Socrates 1984: Platini (2), Tigana, Rush, Zico, Francescoli 1985: Platini (3), Maradona, Elkjaer, Schuster, Boniek 1986: Maradona (3), Lineker, Belanov, Platini, Butragueno / Careca 1987: Maradona (4), Gullit, Futre, van Basten, Sanchez 1988: Gullit, van Basten, Maradona, Koeman, Rijkaard 1989: van Basten, Maradona, Baresi, Matthaus, Rijkaard 1990: Matthaus, Maradona, Baresi, Brehme, Schilaci 1991: Papin, Matthaus, Savicevic, Pancev, Prosinecki 1992: van Basten (2), Stoichkov, Laudrup, Bergkamp, Schmeichel 1993: Baggio, Bergkamp, Romario, Laudrup, Cantona 1994; Romario, Stoichkov, Baggio, Maldini, Hagi 1995: Litmanen, Weah, Klinsmann, Laudrup, Maldini 1996: Ronaldo, Sammer, Weah, Shearer, Del Piero 1997: Ronaldo (2), Zidane, R Carlos, Bergkamp, Mijatovic 1998: Zidane, Ronaldo, Suker, Bergkamp, Rivaldo 1999: Rivaldo, Beckham, Shevchenko, Figo / Batistuta 2000: Figo, Zidane, Shevchenko, Rivaldo, Totti 2001: Figo (2), Raul, Owen, Kahn, Zidane 2002: Ronaldo (3), Zidane, R Carlos, Ballack, Kahn 2003: Henry, Nedved, Zidane, Maldini, van Nistelrooy 2004: Henry (2), Ronaldinho, Shevchenko, Deco, Nedved 2005: Ronaldinho, Lampard, Gerrard, Henry, Adriano 2006: Cannavaro, Ronaldinho, Henry, Zidane, Buffon 2007: Kaka, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Drogba, Pirlo 2008: Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, F Torres, Xavi, Casillas 2009: Messi, Xavi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Eto'o 2010: Messi (2), Sneijder, Xavi, Iniesta, Forlan 2011: Messi (3), Cristiano Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Rooney 2012: Messi (4), Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Pirlo 2013: Messi (5), Cristiano Ronaldo, Ribery, Ibrahimovic, Robben 2014: Cristiano Ronaldo (2), Messi, Neuer, Robben, Suarez 2015: Messi (6), Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez, Lewandowski 2016: Cristiano Ronaldo (3), Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Neymar 2017: Cristiano Ronaldo (4), Messi, Neymar, Modric, Buffon 2018: Modric, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Salah, Griezmann 2019: Messi (7), van Djik, Mané, Cristiano Ronaldo, Salah 2020: Lewandowski, Messi, De Bruyne, Cristiano Ronaldo, Mbappé 2021: Messi (8), Lewandowski, Benzema, Kanté, Jorginho Number of win for each winners of the Ballon d'Or over the period 1950-2021 so far (BigSoccer/Reddit): - Messi (8) - Pelé (7) - Di Stefano (4) - Cruyff (4) - Maradona (4) - Cristiano Ronaldo (4) - Puskas (3) - Platini (3) - Ronaldo (3) - Zico (2) - van Basten (2) - Figo (2) - Henry (2) - Ademir (1) - Nordahl (1) - Kocsis (1) - Garrincha (1) - Eusebio (1) - Albert (1) - Best (1) - Blokhin (1) - Beckenbauer (1) - Keegan (1) - Kempes (1) - Gullit (1) - Matthaus (1) - Papin (1) - Baggio (1) - Romario (1) - Litmanen (1) - Rivaldo (1) - Zidane (1) - Ronaldinho (1) - Cannavaro (1) - Kaka (1) - Modric (1) - Lewandowski (1) If we extend to the number of times listed in the top 5 (and among top 3), we find the above players in more numbers of times mentioned so far (BigSoccer/Reddit) (with a minimum of 6 nominations): - Messi (15 times with 15 times among top 3) - Cristiano Ronaldo (13 times with 11 times among top 3) - Pelé (12 times with 10 times among top 3) - Maradona (9 times with 9 times among top 3) - Di Stefano (9 times with 5 times among top 3) - Cruyff (8 times with 5 times among top 3) - Zico (8 times with 5 times among top 3) - Beckenbauer (7 times with 6 times among top 3) - Zidane (7 times with 5 times among top 3) - Platini (7 times with 3 times among top 3) - Puskas (6 times with 5 times among top 3) - Kopa (6 times with 5 times among top 3)
What is interesting is to see that there seems to be a certain consensus, except for the early 2000s. There seems to be a period of vagueness, between 2000 and 2007 (before the two monsters arrived). Certainly some winners are legitimate, like Ronaldinho or Kaka, but some remain controversial. We can see the differences below: 2000: Zidane (2), Figo, Shevchenko, Rivaldo, Totti (BigSoccer) 2000: Figo, Zidane, Shevchenko, Rivaldo, Totti (BS + Reddit) 2002: Zidane (3), Ronaldo, R Carlos, Ballack, Kahn 2002: Ronaldo (3), Zidane, R Carlos, Ballack, Kahn 2003: Nedved, Henry, Zidane, van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo 2003: Henry, Nedved, Zidane, Maldini, van Nistelrooy For the other years, the differences are very small, which makes for a close fight. Typically, the beginning of the 2000s is very difficult to explain, between the return from hell of Ronaldo in 2002, the talent of Zidane still there but some sports deceptions, and some players who make big years (Henry, Figo, Nedved), quite difficult to see clearly. It's incredible to think that Zidane could stay at only 1 Ballon d'Or according to one of the panels, and on the other hand be at 3 Ballon d'Or.
I think for 2022 I will add this vote by myself now, based on 2021/22 & calendar year 2022 combined (following the same method I used before) then: 1) Kylian Mbappe, 2) Karim Benzema, 3) Mohamed Salah, 4) Robert Lewandowski, 5) Luka Modric I'll start to count up votes we already have for 2022 from everyone else too over the next days, but I guess there might still be more to come so I thought it could be a good time to bump the thread and mention it now since we're getting to near the deadline IceBlood had set. Afterwards I'll see what we have for pre-1950 years too.
Unless something goes very wrong (or very right for another player), feels like the WC-win will carry Messi to another Ballon d'Or.
TOP 1980-81 1.- Zico (Brasil) 2.- Rummenigge (Alemania) 3.- Maradona (Argentina) 4.- Breitner (Alemania) & Junior (Brasil) 6.- Blokhin (URSS); 7.- Uribe (Perú); 8.- Wark (Escocia); 9.- Krol (Holanda);10.-Passarella (Argentina); 11.- Zoff (Italia); 12.- Pezzey (Austria); 13.- Shengelia (URSS); 14.- Falcao (Brasil); 15.- Toninho Cerezo (Brasil); 16.- Stielike (Alemania); 17.- Platini (Francia); 18.- Thijssen (Holanda); 19.- Bossis (Francia); 20.- Paz, Rubén (Uruguay); 21.- Brady (Irlanda); 22.- Fillol (Argentina); 23.- Dalglish (Escocia); 24.- Sócrates (Brasil); 25.- Chivadze (URSS); 26.- Paulo Isidoro (Brasil); 27.- Kaltz (Alemania); 28.-Trossero, Enzo (Argentina); 29.- Petrovic (Yugoslavia); 30.- Caszely (Chile); 31.- Kipiani (URSS); 32.- Schuster (Alemania); 33.- Mario Sergio (Brasil); 34.- Luizinho (Brasil); 35.- Peters (Holanda); 36.- Briegel (Alemania); 37.- Ceulemans (Bélgica); 38.- Souness (Escocia); 39.- Nyilasi (Hungría); 40.- Cueto (Perú); 41.- McDermott (Inglaterra); 42.- Vujovic (Yugoslavia); 43.- Arconada (España); 44.- Camacho (España); 45.- Yáñez (Chile); 46.- Prohaska (Austria): 47.- Ze Sergio (Brasil); 48.- Willington Ortiz (Colombia); 49.- Hrubesch (Alemania); 50.- Schumacher (Alemania); 51.- Metgod (Holanda); 52.- Gerets (Bélgica); 53.- Roberto Dinamita (Brasil); 54.- Tendillo (España); 55.- Larios (Francia); 56.- Victorino (Uruguay); 57.- Scirea (Italia); 58.- Figueroa (Chile); 59.- Cabrini (Italia); 60.- Antognoni (Italia); 61.- Simonsen (Dinamarca); 62.- Brooking (Inglaterra); 63.- López (Francia); 64.- Boniek (Polonia); 65.- Vandenbergh (Bélgica); 66.- Van Moer (Bélgica); 67.- Grapenthin (RDA); 68.- Hugo Sánchez (México); 69.- Slavkov (Bulgaria); 70.- Mills (Inglaterra); 71.- Lato (Polonia); 72.- Muhren, Arnold (Holanda); 73.- Díaz, Ramón (Argentina); 74.- Pereyra, Darío (Uruguay); 75.- Keegan (Inglaterra); 76.- Zamora (España); 77.- Tardelli (Italia); 78.- De León (Uruguay); 79.- Bento (Portugal); 80.- Millecamps, Luc (Bélgica); 81.- Muller, Hansi (Alemania); 82.- Tarantini (Argentina); 83.- Osman (Inglaterra); 84.- Vercauteren (Bélgica); 85.- Ardiles (Argentina); 86.- Archibald (Escocia); 87.- Six (Francia); 88.- Mariner (Inglaterra); 89.- Forster, Karl Heinz (Alemania); 90.- Clemence (Inglaterra); 91.- Dassaev (URSS); 92.- Oscar (Brasil); 93.- Gentile (Italia); 94.- Shilton (Inglaterra); 95.- Waldir Peres (Brasil); 96.- Ramos, Venancio (Uruguay); 97.- Hannes (Alemania); 98.- Magath (Alemania); 99.- Hovenkamp (Holanda); 100.- Collovati (Italia) 1.- Zico (Brasil, Flamengo); 2.- Rummenigge, Karl-Heinz (Alemania, Bayern Munich); 3.- Maradona, Diego (Argentina, Boca Juniors); 4.- Júnior (Brasil, Flamengo); 5.- Breitner, Paul (Alemania, Bayern Munich); 6.- Wark, John (Escocia, Ipswich Town); 7.- Blokhin, Oleg (Unión Soviética, Dynamo de Kiev); 8.- Krol, Ruud (Holanda, Nápoles); 9.- TONINHO CEREZO (Brasil, Atlético Mineiro); 10.- Stielike, Uli (Alemania, Real Madrid); 11.- Shengelia, Ramaz (Unión Soviética, Dinamo Tbilisi); 12.- Pezzey, Bruno (Austria, Eintracht Frankfurt); 13.- Zoff, Dino (Italia, Juventus); 14.- Thijssen, Frans (Holanda, Ipswich Town); 15.-Uribe, Julio César (Perú, Sporting Cristal); 16.- Passarella, Daniel (Argentina, River Plate); 17.- Platini, Michel (Francia, Saint-Étienne); 18.- Brady, Liam (Irlanda, Juventus); 19.- Falcao (Brasil, Roma); 20.- Paz, Rubén (Uruguay, Peñarol); 21.- Dalglish, Kenny (Escocia, Liverpool); 22.- FILLOL, Ubaldo (Argentina, River Plate); 23.- Souness, Graeme (Escocia, Liverpool); 24.- CHIVADZE, Aleksandr (URSS, Dinamo Tbilisi); 25.- Bossis, Maxime (Francia, Nantes); 26.- Peters, Jan (Holanda, AZ 67); 27.- Paulo Isidoro (Brasil, Gremio); 28.- McDERMOTT, Terry (Inglaterra, Liverpool); 29.- Trossero, Enzo (Argentina, Nantes e Independiente); 30.- KALTZ, Manfred (Alemania, Hamburgo); 31.- PROHASKA, Herbert (Austria, Inter Milan); 32.- MÁRIO SÉRGIO (Brasil, Sao Paulo); 33.- CAMACHO, José Antonio (España, Real Madrid). 34.- LUIZINHO (Brasil, Atlético Mineiro); 35.- Larios, Jean François (Francia, Saint Etienne); 36.- ZÉ SÉRGIO (Brasil, Sao Paulo); 37.- Briegel, Hans Peter (Alemania, Kaiserlautern); 38.- PETROVIC, Vladimir (Yugoslavia, Estrella Roja); 39.- NYILASI, Tibor (Hungría, Ferencváros); 40.- Metgod, John (Holanda, AZ 67); 41.- SÓCRATES (Brasil, Corinthians); 42.- SCHUMACHER, Toni (Alemania, Colonia); 43.- Caszely, Carlos (Chile, Colo Colo); 44.- Scirea, Gaetano (Italia, Juventus); 45.- Tendillo, Miguel (España, Valencia); 46.- Simonsen, Allan (Dinamarca, Barcelona); 47.- Gerets, Eric (Bélgica, Standard Liege); 48.- CUETO, César (Perú, Atlético Nacional de Medellín); 49.- Grapenthin, Hans-Ulrich (RDA, Carl Zeiss Jena); 50.- VUJOVIC, Zlatko (Yugoslavia, Hajduk Split); 51.- Kipiani, David (URSS, Dinamo Tbilisi); 52.- ROBERTO DINAMITA (Brasil, Vasco da Gama); 53.- CABRINI, Antonio (Italia, Juventus); 54.- PEREYRA, Darío (Uruguay, Sao Paulo); 55.- LOPEZ, Christian (Francia, Saint-Étienne); 56.- Willington Ortiz (Colombia, Deportivo de Cali); 57.- Bento, Manuel (Portugal, Benfica); 58.- Mills, Mick (Inglaterra, Ipswich Town); 59.- Vandenbergh, Erwin (Bélgica, Lierse); 60.- ARCHIBALD, Steve (Escocia, Tottenham Hotspur); 61.- MÜHREN, Arnold (Holanda, Ipswich Town); 62.- Slavkov, Georgi (Bulgaria, Botev Plovdiv); 63.- TARDELLI, Marco (Italia, Juventus); 64.- MARINER, Paul (Inglaterra, Ipswich Town); 65.- Dasaev, Rinat (URSS, Spartak Moscow); 66.- Osman, Russell (Inglaterra, Ipswich Town); 67.- Waldir Peres (Brasil, Sao Paulo); 68.- CEULEMANS, Jan (Bélgica, Brujas); 69.- Hannes, Wilfried (Alemania, Borussia Moenchengladbach); 70.- Brooking, Trevor (Inglaterra, West Ham); 71.- Hovenkamp, Hugo (Holanda, AZ 67); 72.- VERCAUTEREN, Franky (Bélgica, Anderlecht); 73.- Victorino, Waldemar (Uruguay, Deportivo de Cali); 74.- Van Moer, Wilfried (Bélgica, Beveren); 75.- Elkjaer Larsen, Preben (Dinamarca, Lokeren); 76.- Shilton, Peter (Inglaterra, Nottingham Forest); 77.- Lato, Grzegorz (Polonia, Lokeren); 78.- Ravelli, Thomas (Suecia, Osters); 79.- Nygaard, Kristen (Dinamarca, AZ 67); 80.- Butcher, Terry (Inglaterra, Ipswich Town); 81.- Magath, Félix (Alemania, Hamburgo); 82.- Ardiles, Oswaldo (Argentina, Tottenham Hotspur); 83.- GENTILE, Claudio (Italia, Juventus); 84.- Arnesen, Frank (Dinamarca, Ajax); 85.- Alves, Joao (Portugal, Benfica); 86.- DE LEÓN, Hugo (Uruguay, Gremio); 87.- Oscar (Brasil, Sao Paulo); 88.- Hugo Sánchez (México, UNAM); 89.- Camataru, Rodion (Rumanía, Universidad de Craiova); 90.- Coeck, Ludo (Bélgica, Anderlecht); 91.- Maceda, Antonio (España, Sporting de Gijón); 92.- Kozak, Jan (Checoslovaquia, Dukla de Praga); 93.- ANTOGNONI, Giancarlo (Italia, Fiorentina); 94.- Buryak, Leonid (URSS, Dynamo Kiev); 95.- Withe, Peter (Inglaterra, Aston Villa); 96.- Millecamps, Luc (Bélgica, Waregem); 97.- Ramos, Venancio (Uruguay, Peñarol); 98.- Sansom, Kenny (Inglaterra, Arsenal); 99.- Muller, Hansi (Alemania, Stuttgart); 100.- Belloumi, Lakhdar (MC Alger, Argelia). XI IDEAL Zoff; Bossis, Stielike, Krol, Junior; Toninho Cerezo, Breitner, Zico, Maradona; Wark, Rummenigge.
Yes you're right mate, we can't wait to see what the other votes have in store for us! Once you show the 2022 + pre-1950 votes, I'll start working again on my templates. By the way, I still haven't received any answer from Dunia Zen about the video project... although he liked my post on his Youtube account... If someone knows (or would be able) to make a Youtube video (I'm thinking of @Perú FC ?), we're interested.
I notice an interesting 1987 XI and subs bench by Guerin Sportivo, that @Krokko has posted on Football Ratings Blogspot Clearly a calendar year XI (Barnes is cited as a Liverpool player, Van Basten as a Milan player for example; Gullit also Milan , Futre Atletico Madrid....). I wasn't sure if it was one vegan10 had posted before on Big Soccer, but didn't think I recognised it, and maybe this thread is as good as any for it to go on (not necessarily to lead anyone to change any vote though).
Very small changes to the 1981 Ballon d'Or revisited standings, but I'm re-posting the full 1980s lists below with the points for 4th/5th split between Breitner and Junior (the 3 above them remained the same as in Titanlux's original post) 1980 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Argentinos Juniors) - 124 2 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (W.Germany/Bayern Munich) - 101.5 3 Zico (Brazil/Flamengo) - 70.5 4 Bernd Schuster (W.Germany/Cologne/Barcelona) - 27 5 Michel Platini (France/St Etienne) - 22 6 Jan Ceulemans (Belgium/Club Brugge) - 8 7 Kenny Dalglish (Scotland/Liverpool), Waldemar Victorino (Uruguay/Nacional) - 3 9 Paul Breitner (W.Germany/Bayern Munich), Toninho Cerezo (Brazil/Atletico Mineiro), Kevin Keegan (England/Hamburg), John Robertson (Scotland/Nottingham Forest) - 2 13 Paulo Roberto Falcao (Brazil/Internacional/Roma) - 1 1981 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Zico (Brazil/Flamengo) - 115 2 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (W.Germany/Bayern Munich) - 88 3 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Argentinos Juniors/Boca Juniors) - 70 4 Paul Breitner (W.Germany/Bayern Munich) - 35.5 5 Michel Platini (France/St Etienne) - 35 6 Paulo Roberto Falcao (Brazil/Roma), Bernd Schuster (W.Germany/Barcelona) - 2 8 Junior (Brazil/Flamengo) - 1.5 9 Liam Brady (Republic of Ireland/Juventus), Graeme Souness (Scotland/Liverpool), John Wark (Scotland/Ipswich Town), Dino Zoff (Italy/Juventus) - 1 1982 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Zico (Brazil/Flamengo) - 111 2 Paulo Roberto Falcao (Brazil/Roma) - 66 3 Paolo Rossi (Italy/Juventus) - 50 4 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (W.Germany/Bayern Munich) - 40 5 Alain Giresse (France/Bordeaux) - 30 6 Gaetano Scirea (Italy/Juventus) - 26 7 Michel Platini (France/St Etienne/Juventus), Socrates (Brazil/Corinthians) - 10 9 Zbigniew Boniek (Poland/Widzew Lodz/Juventus) - 4 10 Quini (Spain/Barcelona) - 3 11 Bruno Conti (Italy/Roma), Junior (Brazil/Flamengo) - 2 13 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Boca Juniors/Barcelona), Dino Zoff (Italy/Juventus) - 1 1983 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Michel Platini (France/Juventus) - 124 2 Paulo Roberto Falcao (Brazil/Roma) - 72 3 Zico (Brazil/Flamengo/Udinese) - 71 4 Kenny Dalglish (Scotland/Liverpool) - 41 5 Socrates (Brazil/Corinthians) - 30 6 Felix Magath (W.Germany/Hamburg) - 6 7 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Barcelona) - 5 8 Renato Gaucho (Brazil/Gremio), Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (W.Germany/Bayern Munich) - 2 10 Rinat Dasaev (Soviet Union/Spartak Moscow), Bryan Robson (England/Manchester United) - 1 1984 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Michel Platini (France/Juventus) - 138 2 Jean Tigana (France/Bordeaux) - 65 3 Ian Rush (Wales/Liverpool) - 51 4 Zico (Brazil/Udinese) - 32 5 Enzo Francescoli (Uruguay/River Plate) - 19 6 Preben Elkjaer (Denmark/Lokeren/Verona) - 16 7 Paulo Roberto Falcao (Brazil/Roma) - 14 8 Alain Giresse (France/Bordeaux) - 6 9 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (W.Germany/Bayern Munich) - 3 10 Fernando Chalana (Portugal/Benfica/Bordeaux), Johan Cruyff (Netherlands/Feyenoord), Morten Olsen (Denmark/Anderlecht), Hugo Sanchez (Mexico/Atletico Madrid), Graeme Souness (Scotland/Liverpool/Sampdoria) - 2 15 Zbigniew Boniek (Poland/Juventus), Diego Maradona (Argentina/Barcelona/Napoli), Romerito (Paraguay/Fluminense) - 1 1985 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Michel Platini (France/Juventus) - 132 2 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Napoli) - 89 3 Preben Elkjaer (Denmark/Verona) - 62 4 Bernd Schuster (W.Germany/Barcelona) - 34 5 Zbigniew Boniek (Poland/Juventus/Roma) - 10 6 Claudio Borghi (Argentina/Argentinos Juniors) - 9 7 Hugo Sanchez (Mexico/Atletico Madrid/Real Madrid) - 6 8 Hans-Peter Briegel (W.Germany/Verona) 4 9 Michael Laudrup (Denmark/Lazio/Juventus) - 3.5 10 Junior (Brazil/Torino) - 2 11 Enzo Francescoli (Uruguay/River Plate) - 1.5 12 Ian Rush (Wales/Liverpool), Rudi Voller (W.Germany/Werder Bremen) - 1 1986 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Napoli) - 138 2 Gary Lineker (England/Everton/Barcelona) - 69 3 Igor Belanov (Soviet Union/Dynamo Kyiv) - 45 4 Michel Platini (France/Juventus) - 20 5 Careca (Brazil/Sao Paulo), Emilio Butragueno (Spain/Real Madrid) - 19 7 Michael Laudrup (Denmark/Juventus) - 11 8 Ruud Gullit (Netherlands/PSV Eindhoven) - 10 9 Preben Elkjaer (Denmark/Verona) - 6 10 Jorge Burruchaga (Argentina/Nantes) - 5 11 Hugo Sanchez (Mexico/Real Madrid) - 4 12 Antonio Alzamendi (Uruguay/Penarol/River Plate), Jorge Valdano (Argentina/Real Madrid) - 3 14 Helmuth Duckadam (Romania/Steaua Bucharest), Marco van Basten (Netherlands/Ajax) - 2 16 Enzo Francescoli (Uruguay/River Plate/Racing Club de Paris) - 1 1987 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Napoli) - 127 2 Ruud Gullit (Netherlands/PSV Eindhoven/AC Milan) - 86 3 Paulo Futre (Portugal/Porto/Atletico Madrid) - 50 4 Marco van Basten (Netherlands/Ajax/AC Milan) - 42 5 Hugo Sanchez (Mexico/Real Madrid) - 31 6 Emilio Butragueno (Spain/Real Madrid) - 9 7 Carlos Valderrama (Colombia/Deportivo Cali) - 4 8 Lothar Matthaus (W.Germany/Bayern Munich) - 3 9 Gary Lineker (England/Barcelona), Renato Gaucho (Brazil/Gremio/Flamengo) - 2 11 Michel (Spain/Real Madrid), Jean-Marie Pfaff (Belgium/Bayern Munich) - 1 1988 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Ruud Gullit (Netherland/AC Milan) - 105 2 Marco Van Basten (Netherlands/AC Milan) - 91 3 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Napoli) - 75 4 Ronald Koeman (Netherlands/PSV Eindhoven) - 48 5 Frank Rijkaard (Netherlands/Ajax/Real Zaragoza/AC Milan) - 12 6 John Barnes (England/Liverpool) - 7 7 Hugo Sanchez (Mexico/Real Madrid) - 5 8 Lothar Matthaus (W.Germany/Bayern Munich/Inter Milan) - 3 9 Franco Baresi (Italy/AC Milan), Dragan Stojkovic (Yugoslavia/Red Star Belgrade) - 2 11 Giussepe Giannini (Italy/Roma), Glenn Hoddle (England/Monaco), Hans van Breukelen (Netherlands/PSV Eindhoven) - 1 1989 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer# panel consensus 1 Marco van Basten (Netherlands/AC Milan) - 134 2 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Napoli) - 71 3 Franco Baresi (Italy/AC Milan) - 57.5 4 Lothar Matthaus (W.Germany/Inter Milan) - 37 5 Frank Rijkaard (Netherlands/AC Milan) - 18 6 Bebeto (Brazil/Flamengo/Vasco da Gama) - 17 7 Ruud Gullit (Netherlands/AC Milan), Romario (Brazil/PSV Eindhoven) - 4 9 Andreas Brehme (W.Germany/Inter Milan), Careca (Brazil/Napoli), Dragan Stojkovic (Yugoslavia/Red Star Belgrade) - 3 12 Hugo Sanchez (Mexico/Real Madrid) - 2 13 Baltazar (Brazil/Atletico Madrid), Gheorghe Hagi (Romania/Steaua Bucharest) - 1 15 Jean-Pierre Papin (France/Marseille) - 0.5 # All years tallies contain one vote from a Reddit voter, in addition to all the Big Soccer voter votes.
This list is actually based on several other lists published in Sweden and abroad in the last couple of years. They are not as abbundant as in men's football of course, but still interesting IMO.
I thought at this juncture what might be interesting is a top 35 players per decade for the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s (Big Soccer voting only), 2000s (Reddit voting added in), 2010s (Big Soccer voting only), 2010s (Reddit voting added in), based on total points received during the decade in question from all our votes thus far (so not based on finishing positions within each yearly list). It's going a little off topic, but maybe a nice summary to see, so I'll start with the 1950s, using the above latest standings: 1) Alfredo Di Stefano - 605.5 2) Ferenc Puskas - 476.5 3) Raymond Kopa - 342.5 4) Sandor Kocsis - 233.5 5) Pele - 225.5 6) Didi - 190 7) Juan Schiaffino - 170.5 8) Gunnar Nordahl - 138.5 9) Ademir de Menezes - 110 10) Fritz Walter - 91.5 11) Ladislao Kubala - 90.5 12) Nandor Hidegkuti - 81 13) Zizinho - 78 14) Stanley Matthews - 62 15) Nils Liedholm - 53.5 16) Jozsef Bozsik - 42.5 17) Julinho - 41 18) Omar Sivori - 38.5 19) Luis Suarez Miramontes - 38 20) Duncan Edwards - 34 21) Obdulio Varela - 33 22) Faas Wilkes - 31 23) Gunnar Gren - 28.5 24) Billy Wright - 23 25= Just Fontaine, Ernst Ocwirk - 22.5 27= John Charles, Bernard Vukas - 22 29) Tom Finney - 15.5 30) Nat Lofthouse - 14 31) Telmo Zarra - 13 32= Zlatko Cajkowski, Garrincha, Milos Milutinovic - 12 35) Alcides Ghiggia - 10
Doing the same for the 1960s (then I'll have a break; possibly adding more today but possibly not) (I think by the way, IIRC, in some decades the number of voters for each year might vary just a little bit with some years having more than others : I've forgotten exactly without checking but anyway maybe that can influence things to a small degree so I'm adding this note about it - comparing total points for all players between all the decades would be less useful anyway because certainly some decades had a few more voters than other ones did, and once the Reddit votes are added in then recent years have considerably more voters than early/mid years) 1) Pele - 871.5 2) Eusebio - 330.5 3) Luis Suarez Miramontes - 247 4) Bobby Charlton - 246 5) Garrincha - 190 6) George Best - 178 7) Gianni Rivera - 176.5 8) Ferenc Puskas - 139 9) Florian Albert - 121 10) Omar Sivori - 99 11) Denis Law - 88 12) Jimmy Johnstone - 79 13= Tostao, Lev Yashin - 72 15) Josef Masopust - 70 16) Franz Beckenbauer - 63 17) Johan Cruyff - 61.5 18) Jimmy Greaves - 59 19) Dragan Dzajic - 58 20) Giacinto Facchetti - 55 21) Luigi Riva - 43 22) Alfredo Di Stefano - 40 23) Bobby Moore - 38 24) Pedro Rocha - 33 25) Sandro Mazzola - 30 26) Uwe Seeler - 26 27) Gerd Muller - 25.5 28) Alberto Spencer - 25 29) Amancio - 17.5 30) Coutinho - 13 31) Danny Blanchflower - 7 32= Carlos Alberto, Gerson - 6 34= Mario Coluna, Johnny Haynes - 5
Overall top 35 based on points tallies for the 1970s now too.... 1) Johan Cruyff - 705 2) Franz Beckenbauer - 545.5 3) Gerd Muller - 292 4) Kevin Keegan - 227 5) Zico - 192.5 6) Mario Kempes - 151 7) Rob Rensenbrink - 148 8) Pele - 128 9) Oleg Blokhin - 127 10) Elias Figueroa - 124.5 11) Diego Maradona - 109 12) Jairzinho - 94 13) Gunter Netzer - 88.5 14) George Best - 75 15) Allan Simonsen - 73.5 16) Kenny Dalglish - 56.5 17) Tostao - 54 18) Kazimierz Deyna - 48 19) Sandro Mazzola - 47 20) Johan Neeskens - 46 21) Rivelino - 44 22) Michel Platini - 43.5 23) Daniel Passarella - 40 24) Dino Zoff - 36.5 25) Paulo Roberto Falcao - 34.5 26) Paolo Rossi - 31 27) Karl-Heinz Rummenigge - 24 28) Gianni Rivera - 21.5 29) Ruud Krol - 21 30= Norberto Alonso, Luis Artime - 18 32) Hans Krankl - 16 33) Gerson - 15.5 34) Ivo Viktor - 14 35) Reinaldo - 13
Now for the 1980s points tallies for the top 35 scorers.... 1) Diego Maradona - 701 2) Michel Platini - 481 3) Zico - 399.5 4) Marco van Basten - 269 5) Karl-Heinz Rummenigge - 234.5 6) Ruud Gullit - 205 7) Paulo Roberto Falcao - 155 8) Preben Elkjaer - 84 9) Gary Lineker - 71 10) Jean Tigana - 65 11) Bernd Schuster - 63 12) Franco Baresi - 59.5 13) Ian Rush - 52 14= Paulo Futre, Paolo Rossi, Hugo Sanchez - 50 17) Ronald Koeman - 48 18) Igor Belanov - 45 19) Kenny Dalglish - 44 20) Lothar Matthaus - 43 21) Socrates - 40 22) Paul Breitner - 37.5 23) Alain Giresse - 36 24) Frank Rijkaard - 30 25) Emilio Butragueno - 28 26) Gaetano Scirea - 26 27) Careca - 22 28) Enzo Francescoli - 21.5 29) Bebeto - 17 30) Zbigniew Boniek - 15 31) Michael Laudrup - 14.5 32) Claudio Borghi - 9 33) Jan Ceulemans - 8 34) John Barnes - 7 35) Felix Magath - 6
1990s top 35 point scorers from our votes: 1) Ronaldo - 348 2) Lothar Matthaus - 235 3) Roberto Baggio - 214 4) Zinedine Zidane - 208 5) Romario - 187 6) Dennis Bergkamp - 180 7) Hristo Stoichkov - 172 8) Michael Laudrup - 166.5 9) Rivaldo - 163 10) George Weah - 143.5 11) Jari Litmanen - 126 12= Jean-Pierre Papin, Marco van Basten - 122 14) Matthias Sammer - 97 15) David Beckham - 94 16= Diego Maradona, Dejan Savicevic - 89 18) Paolo Maldini - 79.5 19) Franco Baresi - 74.5 20) Jurgen Klinsmann - 69 21= Alessandro Del Piero, Andriy Shevchenko - 51 23) Roberto Carlos - 49 24) Eric Cantona - 47 25) Gabriel Batistuta - 46 26) Davor Suker - 45 27) Alan Shearer - 42.5 28) Luis Figo - 37 29) Peter Schmeichel - 35 30) Andreas Brehme - 34 31) Darko Pancev - 29.5 32) Predrag Mijatovic, Robert Prosinecki - 26 34) Frank Rijkaard - 20.5 35) Roy Keane - 20
Dearman's 2022 vote is here now in effect - as there is a specific 5th and 6th place rather than tied 5th Lewandowski will miss out on any points though (I need to check if Dearman has changed some placings for earlier years too since I incorporated his selections into our voting like IceBlood had suggested, and adjust the points accordingly if so)
2000s (Big Soccer only) total points breakdown for top 35(36) points scorers....(there may be a small amount of vote skewing as some voters may have started after 2000 IIRC...but that will apply moreso to the Reddit voting anyway, when that is factored in) 1) Zinedine Zidane - 330 2) Cristiano Ronaldo - 307 3) Ronaldinho - 299 4) Lionel Messi - 287 5) Thierry Henry - 285 6) Luis Figo - 197 7) Kaka - 169 8) Xavi - 146 9) Andriy Shevchenko - 120 10) Pavel Nedved - 111 11) Frank Lampard - 91 12= Fabio Cannavaro, Ronaldo - 84 14) Raul - 76 15) Oliver Kahn - 74 16) Fernando Torres - 72 17) Francesco Totti - 67 18) Roberto Carlos - 62 19= Michael Ballack, Andres Iniesta - 55 21) Steven Gerrard - 54 22) Deco - 52 23) Michael Owen - 44 24) Samuel Eto'o - 43 25) Ruud van Nistelrooy - 41 26) Rivaldo - 34 27) Gianluigi Buffon - 31 28) Didier Drogba - 29 29) Andrea Pirlo - 25 30) Adriano - 15 31) Iker Casillas - 13 32= David Beckham, Paolo Maldini - 10 34= Franck Ribery, Juan Roman Riquelme, Patrick Vieira - 5