The "Messi: the best player in the world. Is it even up for discussion?" thread

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  1. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

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  2. Bada Bing

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    Posting these here as reference for Messi WC22 evaluation.

    Importance player Goals (Scored+Assisted+Involved)

    88%
    Messi WC14 7 (4+1+2) out of 8 team goals (+1 SO goal)
    86% Maradona WC86 12 (5+5+2) out of 14 team goals
    82% Forlan WC10 9 (5(1p)+1+3) out of 11 team goals
    80% Messi WC22 12 (7(5p)+3+2) out of 15 team goals (+2 SO goals)
    80% Kempes WC78 12 (6+2+4) out of 15 team goals
    76% G.Müller WC70 13 (10(1p)+3+0) out of 17 team goals
    75% Rossi WC82 9 (6+1+2) out of 12 team goals
    73% Romario WC94 8 (5+3+0) out of 11 team goals (+1 SO goal)
    71% Eusebio WC66 12 (9(4p)+2+1) out of 17 team goals
    70% Schillaci WC90 7 (6(1p)+1+0) out of 10 team goals
    67% Robben WC14 10 (3+3+4) out of 15 team goals (+2 SO goals)
    67% Cruyff WC74 10 (3+4+3) out of 15 team goals
    64% Suker WC98 7 (6(1p)+0+1) out of 11 team goals
    58% Jairzinho WC70 11 (7+1+3) out of 19 team goals
    58% Pele WC70 11 (4+6+1) out of 19 team goals
    56% Zidane WC06 5 (3(2)+1+1) out of 9 team goals
    53% Ronaldo WC02 9 (8+1+0) out of 17 team goals
    50% Ronaldo WC98 7 (4+3+0) out of 14 team goals (+1 SO goal)
    45% Charlton WC66 5 (3+0+2) out of 11 team goals
    43% Modric WC18 6 (2(1p)+1+3) out of 14 team goals (+2 SO goals)

    World Cup performance index
    , considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team. Color highlighted as golden, silver, bronze ball, or not in Top 3.

    1.
    Maradona 86
    Messi 14

    3.
    Kempes 78
    4.
    Jairzinho 70

    5.
    Cruyff 74
    Robben 14
    7.
    Forlan 10
    8.
    Romario 94
    9.
    Eusebio 66
    Pele 70
    Rossi 82

    12.
    G.Müller 70
    Schillaci 90
    Suker 98
    15.
    Charlton 66
    Modric 18

    Ronaldo 02
    18.
    Ronaldo 98
    19.
    Zidane 06
     
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  3. afar

    afar Member+

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    Soccer’s greatest ever dribbler. It is quite astonishing how he’s adjusted his dribbling with age and losing his speed.
     
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  4. Bada Bing

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    Round 1 Messi vs. Saudi Arabia


    It wasn't that good of a performance. Scored Argentina's only goal from penalty, and created three great chances, but also missed three other great chances himself. Although one could argue that it was because of bad luck, that another goal and assist were called slight off-sides.

    It's straight up better performance than Suker 98 vs. Jamaica, whos goal was better quality and who also created three great chances, but also missed even more and was only part of 1/3 team goals. I will put it in the next best group for now, as it's not good as Modric 18 vs. Nigeria.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Messi 14 vs Bosnia and Herzegovina
    2.
    Romario 94 vs Russia
    3.
    Maradona 86 vs South Korea
    4.
    Modric 18 vs Nigeria
    5.
    G.Müller 70 vs Morocco
    Messi 22 vs Saudi Arabia
    Jairzinho 70 vs Czechoslovakia
    Robben 14 vs Spain
    Ronaldo 02 vs Turkey
    Schillaci 90 vs Austria
    11.
    Cruyff 74 vs Uruguay
    Eusebio 66 vs Hungary
    Kempes 78 vs Hungary
    Pele 70 vs Czechoslovakia
    Suker 98 vs Jamaica
    16.
    Charlton 66 vs Uruguay
    Bebeto 94 vs Russia
    Rossi 82 vs Poland
    Zidane 06 vs Switzerland
    20.
    Forlan 10 vs France
    21.
    Ronaldo 98 vs Scotland

    It's pretty long ago when I did this comparison, so I may not remember everything, although I've extensive data and media. If I miss something I may have to revisit the rating afterwards.
     
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  5. Bada Bing

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    #7930 Bada Bing, Jan 24, 2023
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    Round 2 Messi vs. Mexico

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    It's an important performance, being part of both Argentina's goals. Liberated Argentina by scoring an individual goal starting the move from midfield and finishing from outside the box, seven defenders in between. Assist was very simple pass to an another individual goal, but Messi deserves more credit from there as he said where Enzo should position himself before the goal.

    Interestingly it's pretty much identical performance to Messi 14 vs. Iran, with almost the same goal, and creating one great chance.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Charlton 66 vs Mexico
    Forlan 10 vs South Africa
    Messi 14 vs Iran
    Messi 22 vs Mexico
    5.
    Jairzinho 70 vs England
    6.
    Kempes 78 vs France
    Modric 18 vs Argentina
    Ronaldo 98 vs Morocco
    9.
    G.Müller vs Bulgaria
    10.
    Bebeto vs Cameroon
    Romario 94 vs Cameroon
    12.
    Maradona 86 vs Italy
    13.
    Cruyff 74 vs Sweden
    Robben 14 vs Australia
    Ronaldo 02 vs China
    16.
    Pele 70 vs England
    17.
    Suker 98 vs Japan
    18.
    Eusebio 66 vs Bulgaria
    Zidane 06 vs South Korea
    20.
    Rossi 82 vs Peru
    21.
    Schillaci 90 vs USA
     
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  6. Bada Bing

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    Round 3 Messi vs. Poland

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    It's a match of two sides, on the other hand had 3 big misses when Argentina scored two goals without his involvement. But on the other hand also created 6 great chances too.

    Compared to Modric 18 neither were involved in either team goals. Modric 18 didn't miss nor create any great chances, compared Messi missing probably the same quality as creating, I rank Messi's performance better being active rather than passive performance.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Messi 14 vs Nigeria
    2.
    Cruyff 74 vs Bulgaria
    Jairzinho 70 vs Romania
    Pele 70 vs Romania
    Robben 14 vs Chile
    6.
    Eusebio 66 vs Brazil
    G.Müller 70 vs Peru
    8.
    Romario 94 vs Sweden
    Schillaci 90 vs Czechoslovakia
    10.
    Maradona 86 vs Bulgaria
    11.
    Forlan 10 vs Mexico
    Rossi 82 vs Cameroon
    13.
    Charlton 66 vs France
    14.
    Kempes 78 vs Italy
    Messi 22 vs Poland
    Ronaldo 02 vs Costa Rica
    Ronaldo 98 vs Norway
    Suker 98 vs Argentina
    19.
    Modric 18 vs Iceland
    20.
    Zidane 06 (double yellow)
     
  7. Bada Bing

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    Round 4 Messi vs. Australia

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    Scored individual goal first forcing dispossession from midfield, and then starting the move that led to a good finnish. Wasn't part of the second Argentina goal, but created 4 additional great chances, and one of which eventually also led to a big miss.

    It's not quite enough for the top places in this round, it's not quite Robben 14 who created additional chance and was part of both Netherlands goals. I think it's probably equal of Cruyff 74 vs Argentina, who was part of 3/4 goals, but also didn't create as much, and missed an additional big chance.

    World Cup Performance Index
    , considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Eusebio vs North Korea
    2.
    Messi 14 vs Switzerland
    Kempes 78 vs Poland
    4.
    Robben 14 vs Mexico
    5.
    Cruyff 74 vs Argentina
    Messi 22 vs Australia
    7.
    Forlan 10 vs South Korea
    Jairzinho 70 vs Peru
    Maradona 86 vs Uruguay
    Zidane 06 vs Spain
    11.
    Romario 94 vs USA
    Suker 98 vs Romania
    13.
    Modric 18 vs Denmark
    14.
    G.Müller 70 vs England
    Pele 70 vs Peru
    Ronaldo 98 vs Chile
    Ronaldo 02 vs Belgium
    Rossi 82 vs Argentina
    Schillaci 90 vs Uruguay
    20.
    Charlton 66 vs Argentina
     
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  8. Bada Bing

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    Round 5 Messi vs. Netherlands

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    Involved in both goals, the first one being a picture perfect throughball, and scored the penalty that Acuna earned. Also scored the most important penalty in SO.

    I'm giving this as good as Charlton 66 vs. Portugal. Both involved in both team goals, Charlton scoring with two rather simple finishes. Charlton created an additional big chance, but Messi scored in SO.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Maradona 86 vs England
    Rossi 82 vs Brazil
    3.
    Forlan 10 vs Ghana
    4.
    Charlton 66 vs Portugal
    Messi 22 vs Netherlands
    6.
    Zidane 06 vs Brazil
    7.
    Suker 98 vs Germany
    8.
    Messi 14 vs Belgium
    Robben 14 vs Costa Rica
    Ronaldo 98 vs Denmark
    11.
    Eusebio 66 vs England
    Jairzinho 70 vs Uruguay
    13.
    G.Müller 70 vs Italy
    Schillaci 90 vs Ireland
    15.
    Modric 18 vs Belgium
    16.
    Pele 70 vs Uruguay
    Romario 94 vs Netherlands
    18.
    Kempes 78 vs Brazil
    19.
    Cruyff 74 vs East Germany
    20.
    Ronaldo 02 vs England
     
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  9. Bada Bing

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    #7934 Bada Bing, Jan 24, 2023
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    Round 6 Messi vs. Croatia

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    Was involved in all three Argentina goals. Scored the first from penalty that Alvarez earned, although that was from the free space that Gvardiol left there marking Messi out. Provided crucial touch that allowed 2on2 counter that eventually resulted a goal. And lastly created all time great World Cup goal from middle of the pitch providing tap-in for Alvarez. Also created two other great chances, the other resulting to his own big miss.

    It's a great performance. Considering the overall quality of all the big actions, I don't think it's quite as good as Maradona 86 vs. Belgium, but edges Ronaldo 02 vs. Turkey with additional great chance and the quality of the assist.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Maradona 86 vs Belgium
    2.
    Messi 22 vs Croatia
    3.
    Ronaldo 02 vs Turkey
    4.
    Rossi 82 vs Poland
    Schillaci 90 vs Argentina
    6.
    Cruyff 74 vs Brazil
    Kempes 78 vs Peru
    8.
    Suker 98 vs France
    9.
    Jairzinho 70 vs Italy
    Pele 70 vs Italy
    11.
    G.Müller 70 vs Uruguay
    Romario 94 vs Sweden
    13.
    Forlan 10 vs Netherlands
    Messi 14 vs Netherlands
    Ronaldo 98 vs Netherlands
    16.
    Robben 14 vs Argentina
    Zidane 06 vs Portugal
    18.
    Eusebio 66 vs Soviet Union
    19.
    Modric 18 vs England
    20.
    Charlton 66 vs West Germany
     
  10. Bada Bing

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    Round 7 Messi vs. France

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    Was involved in all the three goals and also scored in the SO. Created two additional great chances and had one big miss.

    Messi's performance is pretty much bang on equal with Kempes 78 vs. Netherlands, as the best performance in the final round. Both involved in all three goals, and although Kempes had slightly more quality in them overall, Messi also provided better chances and scored the hardest penalty in the SO.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Kempes 78 vs Netherlands
    Messi 22 vs France
    3.
    Cruyff 74 vs West Germany
    Robben 14 vs Brazil
    Schillaci 90 vs England
    Suker 98 vs Netherlands
    7.
    Forlan 10 vs Germany
    Ronaldo 02 vs Germany
    9.
    Modric 18 vs France
    10.
    Rossi 82 vs West Germany
    11.
    Maradona 86 vs West Germany
    12.
    Messi 14 vs Germany
    13.
    Ronaldo 98 vs France
    14.
    Romario 94 vs Italy
    15.
    Zidane 06 vs Italy
     
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  11. Bada Bing

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    Messi WC22

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    7 goals from 14 great scoring chances
    22 great scoring chances created
    15 players beaten by dribble (OPTA)
    5 tackles (OPTA)

    Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)
    12 (7(5p) + 3 + 2) out of 15 team goals = 80% importance (+ 2 SO Goals)

    Goals Scored

    Saudi Arabia 1
    Mexico 1
    Australia 1
    Netherlands 1
    Croatia 1
    France 1
    France 2

    Great Chances Missed

    Saudi Arabia 1
    Saudi Arabia 2
    Saudi Arabia 3
    Poland 1
    Poland 2
    Poland 3
    Australia 1
    Croatia 1
    France 1

    Great Chances Created

    Saudi Arabia 1
    Saudi Arabia 2
    Saudi Arabia 3
    Mexico 1
    Poland 1
    Poland 2
    Poland 3
    Poland 4
    Poland 5
    Poland 6
    Australia 1
    Australia 2
    Australia 3
    Australia 4
    Netherlands 1
    Croatia 1
    Croatia 2
    Croatia 3
    Croatia 4
    France 1
    France 2
    France 3
     
  12. Bada Bing

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    #7937 Bada Bing, Jan 25, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2023
    For me Messi WC22 is another all time great World Cup performance. It's not quite Maradona WC86 nor Messi WC14, even though similar in importance and overall round by round performance. Messi WC22 falls little behind in scoring efficiency, playmaking and defending. Funnily enough it's probably the best ever KO performance, which Messi WC14 got criticism of.

    I think it correlates nicely with Kempes WC78, equal in defending, slight differences in importance and playmaking. Kempes was more efficient from his scoring chances, but Messi performed better in four rounds to one.

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    World Cup performance index
    , considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team. Color highlighted as golden, silver, bronze ball, or not in Top 3.

    1.
    Maradona 86
    Messi 14

    3.
    Kempes 78
    Messi 22

    5.
    Jairzinho 70

    6.
    Cruyff 74
    Robben 14
    8.
    Forlan 10
    9.
    Romario 94
    10.
    Eusebio 66
    Pele 70
    Rossi 82

    13.
    G.Müller 70
    Schillaci 90
    Suker 98
    16.
    Charlton 66
    Modric 18

    Ronaldo 02
    19.
    Ronaldo 98
    20.
    Zidane 06
     
  13. Bada Bing

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  14. unclesox

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    2012: Messi 1st, Cristiano 2nd
    2013: Messi 1st, Cristiano 2nd
    2014: Cristiano 1st, Messi 2nd
    2015: Messi 1st, Cristiano 2nd
    2016: Cristiano 1st, Messi 2nd
    2017: Messi 1st, Cristiano 2nd
    2018: Cristiano 2nd, Messi 3rd (Modric 1st)
    2019: Messi 1st, Cristiano 4th
    2020: Messi 2nd, Cristiano 3rd (Lewandowski 1st)
    2021: Messi 2nd, Cristiano 8th (Lewandowski 1st)
    2022: Messi 1st, Cristiano 51st

    How the 'mighty' have fallen.
     
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  15. TitoTata

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    Leo massive favourite to get his 8th Balon D’or !!

    Leaving fakeRonaldo on 5 ..

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  16. verde-rubro

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    And you still post as if he is still 32/35 years old
     
  17. TitoTata

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    What on Earth are you waffling on about
     
  18. Bada Bing

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    Going to post Mbappe WC22 too as I think it's also an all-time WC-performance.

    Round 1 Mbappe vs Australia

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    Very eventful game, part of 3 goals of 4 the assist being most individual quality, created 4 big chances, and had 6 big misses. It would be great individual performance, without all of those misses which point to a great team performance.

    Kind of hard to position this performance, as there isn't really similar in here. Now it's important performance (3/4 goals), but he also missed more quality than he created. It's better than Messi vs. Saudi Arabia I think, and I'm going to put him with Modric, who had kind of neutral performance, but was part of both goals.

    Also after watching back Pele vs Czechoslovakia, I'm repositioning it above Mbappe as it has less big misses, but similar importance.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Messi 14 vs Bosnia and Herzegovina
    2.
    Romario 94 vs Russia
    3.
    Maradona 86 vs South Korea
    4.
    Pele 70 vs Czechoslovakia
    5.
    Modric 18 vs Nigeria
    Mbappe 22 vs Australia
    7.
    G.Müller 70 vs Morocco
    Messi 22 vs Saudi Arabia
    Jairzinho 70 vs Czechoslovakia
    Robben 14 vs Spain
    Ronaldo 02 vs Turkey
    Schillaci 90 vs Austria
    13.
    Cruyff 74 vs Uruguay
    Eusebio 66 vs Hungary
    Kempes 78 vs Hungary
    Suker 98 vs Jamaica
    17.
    Charlton 66 vs Uruguay
    Bebeto 94 vs Russia
    Rossi 82 vs Poland
    Zidane 06 vs Switzerland
    20.
    Forlan 10 vs France
    21.
    Ronaldo 98 vs Scotland
     
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  19. Bada Bing

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    Round 2 Mbappe vs. Denmark

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    Great performance, scoring both goals and creating one additional chance. Only had one big miss.

    It's kind of similar level performance to Messi vs. Mexico, part of 2/2 goals, and having neutral impact of quality otherwise. Now Messi had more quality in the goal clearly, and Mbappe tap-in probably doesn't have that much more quality than Messi's assist, I'm still going to put them in the same category for now.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Charlton 66 vs Mexico
    Forlan 10 vs South Africa
    Messi 14 vs Iran
    Messi 22 vs Mexico
    Mbappe 22 vs Denmark
    6.
    Jairzinho 70 vs England
    7.
    Kempes 78 vs France
    Modric 18 vs Argentina
    Ronaldo 98 vs Morocco
    10.
    G.Müller vs Bulgaria
    11.
    Bebeto vs Cameroon
    Romario 94 vs Cameroon
    13.
    Maradona 86 vs Italy
    14.
    Cruyff 74 vs Sweden
    Robben 14 vs Australia
    Ronaldo 02 vs China
    17.
    Pele 70 vs England
    18.
    Suker 98 vs Japan
    19.
    Eusebio 66 vs Bulgaria
    Zidane 06 vs South Korea
    21.
    Rossi 82 vs Peru
    22.
    Schillaci 90 vs USA
     
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  20. Bada Bing

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    Round 3 Mbappe vs. Tunisia

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    27 minutes of neutral performance, I could categorize one event as big chance that led to a big miss.

    Going to rate it between Messi vs Poland and Modric vs Iceland. It's passive performance like Modric, but also France didn't score a goal either.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Messi 14 vs Nigeria
    2.
    Cruyff 74 vs Bulgaria
    Jairzinho 70 vs Romania
    Pele 70 vs Romania
    Robben 14 vs Chile
    6.
    Eusebio 66 vs Brazil
    G.Müller 70 vs Peru
    8.
    Romario 94 vs Sweden
    Schillaci 90 vs Czechoslovakia
    10.
    Maradona 86 vs Bulgaria
    11.
    Forlan 10 vs Mexico
    Rossi 82 vs Cameroon
    13.
    Charlton 66 vs France
    14.
    Kempes 78 vs Italy
    Messi 22 vs Poland
    Ronaldo 02 vs Costa Rica
    Ronaldo 98 vs Norway
    Suker 98 vs Argentina
    19.
    Mbappe 22 vs Tunisia
    20.
    Modric 18 vs Iceland
    21.
    Zidane 06 (double yellow)
     
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  21. Bada Bing

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    Round 4 Mbappe vs. Poland

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    Giving this the best performance in Round 4. Involved in all three goals by scoring two and assisting one, and also created 2 other chances. Even though Eusebio was also part of all 5 goals against North Korea and created 3 other chances, in relation he missed more big chances 4/8.

    World Cup Performance Index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team.

    1.
    Mbappe 22 vs Poland
    2.
    Eusebio vs North Korea
    3.
    Messi 14 vs Switzerland
    Kempes 78 vs Poland
    5.
    Robben 14 vs Mexico
    6.
    Cruyff 74 vs Argentina
    Messi 22 vs Australia
    8.
    Forlan 10 vs South Korea
    Jairzinho 70 vs Peru
    Maradona 86 vs Uruguay
    Zidane 06 vs Spain
    12.
    Romario 94 vs USA
    Suker 98 vs Romania
    14.
    Modric 18 vs Denmark
    15.
    G.Müller 70 vs England
    Pele 70 vs Peru
    Ronaldo 98 vs Chile
    Ronaldo 02 vs Belgium
    Rossi 82 vs Argentina
    Schillaci 90 vs Uruguay
    21.
    Charlton 66 vs Argentina
     
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  22. verde-rubro

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    Eusebio scored four goals to help Portugal come back from 3-0 down to defeat North Korea 5-3
     
  23. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    You may or may not be impressed but I saw Eusebio play in the flesh !!

    He played in a testimonial in my local town !!

    I was just 13 at the time and don’t remember much about the game sadly - but I have the program somewhere..


    Sadly he’s the only real famous footballer I’ve ever seen play live , oddly enough

    https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/10914870.amp/
     
  24. verde-rubro

    verde-rubro Member+

    C.S.Maritimo + Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jan 15, 2005
    LONDON
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Only seen a couple of games on tape that my dad had
     
  25. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That is true, although I don't know how much opponent scoring should affect performance rating, when you're an attacking player. For example more the opponent scores, more attacking style could it be, leading easier chances to yourself. Eusebio scored 4, but only one with great quality (the other penalty and the dribble leading to it) and had no less than 8 relatively easy chances to score. Which really points that even North Korea was playing attacking football.

    But I've been noticing some weirdness in my original ratings, and may have to revisit them after I collect all the data in one place. Some of it is probably that my perspective has changed, as the original ratings are over 8 years old.
     

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