Spaghetti Weston: McKennie at Juventus

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  1. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There’s only so many subpar games that can be offset by that reasoning.

    In my mind, Sinisterra is a winger and Wes should play in the center, but I guess people can disagree.
     
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  2. bakerkdb

    bakerkdb Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    In fairness the last 20 years were a blip. They ARE a big club that got out over their ski’s financially and nearly went under. Once you fall down like they did it takes time to get back up. Are they back? we’ll see, but make no mistake they are historically one of Englands big teams, just outside the big 6. They’ve finally come out of the wilderness so apprehension about Marsch is expected.
     
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  3. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they get relegated, Wes goes back to Juve. Adams will be sold to another middle of the road PL team. Aaronson, he may end up in the Bundi.
     
  4. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I am well aware of their history. But as you say, to expect big club performance under their current circumstances is not realistic. To a certain extent, every team’s English fans indulge their own impatience, treating every disappointing loss as “UNACCEPTABLE!,“ “NOT GOID ENOUGH!” etc. but even the most reasonable leads fans don’t seem to have a full appreciation for the direction things are going on their roster. At least, in my opinion.
     
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  5. NorcalHockeyhooligan

    Feb 25, 2012
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No way, no how could Forrest have hijacked Wes away from Leeds. You can’t discount the fact Wes will play with familiar faces at Leeds, versus….who? at Forrest??? So if the choice is between two relegation teams, of course Wes would choose Leeds over Forrest.
    Now Arsenal OTOH, I could see hijacking Wes from Leeds, but I’m not sure there was legit interest from Arsenal (as in actual negotiations).
     
  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Just total speculation on my part, but I could see a Weston energy infusion powering Leeds to a few well needed points before folks figure out how to deal with him. Could see Bamford (the assist man!) getting some extra space due to McKinnie's presence. That's my hope anyway. I've decided to optimistic, so undoubtedly it will be a disaster.
     
  7. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Wes and Tyler are going to tear it up. Would you say that the US national teams back line was particularly strong during the World Cup? Or was it the midfield that made the difference defensively?

    Leeds fans unhappy with today’s FA Cup victory how defined success as finishing 12 or higher. So they’re going to be unhappy regardless. But I assume that Jesse stays if he avoids relegation. If LUFC exercise Wes’ the option, and pick up a good LB, they are going to make a run at the top half of the table next year. Which out to be considered a success.
     
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  8. mace

    mace Member+

    Indy 11
    United States
    Jun 5, 2004
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wes played fullback at Schalke on several occasions. Maybe Marsh puts him there to shore up the defense? LOL

    Lots of yankee eggs in the Leeds basket now. They must not get relegated! As a USA fan-boi that would be a total embarrassment.
     
  9. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
    Club:
    Brooklyn Knights
    Seems like Juventus drove a hard bargain.
     
  10. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
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    Leeds didn't want a relegation clause, Juventus needed to do something, anything, to start cleaning house. Loan with max price if Leeds stays up and Wes likes playing. Seems like a pretty sensible deal. (also Leeds is probably figuring Juventus is in worse financial come June. Leaves them negotiating room if Wes isn't a desired commodity.)
     
  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Good that it's a loan. I doubt Leeds intends to actually buy him unless he proves phenomenal.
     
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  12. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Seems odd that Mackennie turned down Villa for Leeds but perhaps the Yank factor made a big difference- hopefully it doesn’t translate to more distractions off the field although Adams seems pretty dialed in. Maybe he’ll be a good influence on Big Mac.

    From a fan POV it will be fun - and hopefully unleashes our chaos merchant (rather than some of the more restrained Juventus performances). It does seem like a potentially good fit.
     
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  13. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ^^this^^
     
  14. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
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  15. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
    Club:
    Brooklyn Knights
    Without getting into the same arguments as yesterday I just don't really think he's worth as much as the (reported) buy clause. I hope he proves me wrong, helps lead Leeds to a respectable finish and looks like a bargain this time next year.
     
  16. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    It seems to me that it’s the rare deal that’s good for everyone. Juventus is betting on McKennie looking good enough that other teams will spend the money even if Leeds go down. I think that’s a petty safe bet. Worst case scenario, he goes back to them, which is not exactly a terrible thing.
     
  17. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
    Club:
    Brooklyn Knights
    Yea, the thing is, if he helps them stay up, the buy clause is ash tray money for Leeds. The TV money is so absurd even a club like Leeds that doesn't do huge worldwide sales or corporate sponsors will be fine.

    That said, you overpay enough and even an EPL budget will be strained, or like Chelsea, the opportunity cost of fielding actual good players instead of overpriced mediocrities will come home to roost.
     
  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    It was a panic thing IMO. Leeds have half of their midfielders injured (Forshaw, Gray, Dallas) and Juve needed to reduce the bill.

    Radrizzani wants out and deBartolo is a very cautious investor. I have no idea whence the $30m would be coming.
     
  19. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now, I’m old enough to remember when people were sure that the €25 million Juve paid for WM (€4.5 mill loan fee + €20.5 mill transfer with performance clauses, all arranged at once) was just a marketing ploy…and that he’d never play because he wasn’t good enough. Now after proving himself at Juve, and consistently beating out players who were so much better than him, it’s good to see that there is no way he is worth €30 million (when inflation alone would account for most, if not all, of the difference).

    I love me some consistency
     
  20. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    The 30 million comes IMHO only if Leeds stays up. If they don't Juve sells Wes in the summer.
     
  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Oh he's worth the 30 million. I just don't see Leeds spending that much (even if they stay up) on yet another midfielder (they have plenty, it's only that half are injured) unless they sell some first.
     
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  22. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
     
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  23. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leeds will stay up with McKennie, and that's what matters most right now.
     
  24. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would not assume that. The bar may need to be higher. We can agree that that is the minimum bar level.
     
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  25. RecLeague Super Sub

    Fulham
    United States
    Jun 5, 2019
    People keep saying this, and I’m not so sure. I wish I had your confidence. The issue for Leeds is their back line, and Wes does not shore that up.
    however, Wober appears to be a good pick up for their D, and if he stays consistent, and if Wes can bang in some goals, they will stay up.
    I just don’t think it’s a guarantee like some on here think, but I’m rooting for it.
     

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