Post-match: The Post Presidency :: Trump Faces The Music Thread

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  1. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    I don't really know all that much about any of Taibbi's post-Wall Street reporting. I'll admit that it seems shady. He seems to be playing King Edge Lord and has convinced himself that the Democrats are just as awful as the Republicans, despite all evidence to the contrary. Having spent years reporting on Wall Street, I can kind of understand why he would think that. But I've only ever heard about how terrible he is from you. And you are, shall we say, not a reliable narrator on the subject.
     
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  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    I think that stuff is more understandable because there are big problems. It's just hard to make money writing about that stuff anymore because the culture war moved elsewhere.

    Personally I think the likes of Taibbi are best seen as fanfic. There is a narrow lane for contrarian lefties.

    But it gets weird when you sell out to a billionaire oligarch - maybe his audience won't care.
     
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  3. Q*bert Jones III

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    #5103 Q*bert Jones III, Jan 25, 2023
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    I realize I wrote that poorly. I meant to say that since Taibbi spent years writing about Wall Street, and its deep ties with neoliberal politicians on both sides of the political aisle, I can see why he would go in that direction. To be clear, I have never done any investigative journalism about financial shenanigans.:D

    As far as being fanfic, Nicephoras used to make that same argument. Personally, I find Taibbi's writing deeply compelling. While I can't check his sources & co., his allegations line up well with what I see. As an investigative journalist muckraking Wall Street, he and Michael Lewis are the best.
     
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  4. InTheSun

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    Met him in NYC at Arsenal event.
     
  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    You have to see it. One of the best performances in the last 20 odd years.
     
  6. Dr. Wankler

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    Seriously? Georgetown and DePaul are pretty bad right now.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    #5107 The Jitty Slitter, Jan 25, 2023
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    I liked the book as well, i just felt he over reached. But then he isn't a derivatives lawyer, so perhaps understandable.

    But now I wonder how much he intentionally misled.

    I mean did he take money from Musk - a guy currently on trial for securities fraud - to write bad quality fanfic?

    This is the problem when you set your credibility on fire.
     
  8. JohnR

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    OK, I just looked up Georgetown ... oh my goodness. Penn would take them. But Penn is ranked behind DePaul on the NET rating.
     
  9. Dr. Wankler

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    I thought DePaul's record conference losing streak would last as long as the Big East did. And I never would have thought Georgetown, coached by one Patrick Ewing, would be the one to break it.

    Alas for the Blue Demons, the Hoyas just broke that streak by beating the former holders of that record.
     
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  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Is there a John Thompson IV out there? :eek:
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    @diablodelsol

    This is indeed an interesting thread (sorry for your blood pressure)

    In his book, Strzok said that the FBI had little to no capability to deal with the cyber/influence op against the election - in 16 they were focussed on the people.

    We now know following the Stone prosecution, that it was a large cyber operations - particularly the DNC hack and WL angle which Stone collaborated in.

     
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  12. rslfanboy

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    I watched Timothy Snyder’s brilliant Yale lecture series on Ukraine. He’s one to take seriously.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    Good article - this may be very bad. It points out the "albanian' thing might well be a front for RIS

    I also wonder if many of these people who got in trouble during the years 2016-2020 simply believed there were no rules anymore?

    https://www.spytalk.co/p/secret-agent-man-the-mysterious-charlie

    Like other senior intelligence agency veterans, former career CIA case officer Douglas London said it was impossible to say what McGonigal was really up to from the bare bones Justice Department announcements. Based on “absolutely nothing but my speculation and instinct,” London said that, “in working as a lobbyist for Deripaska and the Albanians, respectively, McGonigal might have been commercially recruited under a false flag business pretext or otherwise run in cooperation with the Russians, who would have worked over time to get the FBI agent to divulge his counterintelligence knowledge.” London added that, “it would have been an amazingly amateurish mistake for a guy with his experience, perhaps believing he could spy ‘in plain sight’ based on the business pretext.” Whatever, London said he was “hoping [McGonigal] had not spilled everything,” particularly the names of Russians or other foreign nationals working as spies for the FBI or CIA.

    Other odd facets of McGonigal’s post-FBI work stood out to intelligence veterans. As a former chief of counterintelligence, McGonigal “could name his job in the corporate sector,” as the former official put it, fielding offers in the $200,000 range to head up a company’s security operation. But McGonigal, perhaps feeling slighted by failing to land one of the top three slots in the FBI, such as special agent in charge of New York, Los Angeles or the Washington Field Office, might’ve dismissed that as chicken feed.

    “It's almost like, ‘I'll beat all of you,’” the former official said. Instead, McGonigal took gigs from Deripaska and the Albanians—and God knows who else—paying him $75,000 a month. Plus international travel. The FBI arrested McGonigal after he stepped off a plane returning from a trip to Sri Lanka. Where else did he go? Who else might he have been working for? How might he have been compromised?​
     
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  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    It's like the 50s red scare has been flipped but our patriotic Republicans are really in bed with the enemy.
     
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    And because everything is projections with the Republicans, while they are telling everyone to fear the CCP, they are in the bed with the Russians.
     
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    A lot interference for sure:

     
  17. usscouse

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    It’s like some Russian said. Dunno which. :)
    When the Cold War ended and American won. It was all over.
    Well it was for America but not for Russia, they just regrouped and planned ahead, way ahead, especially in the cyber spying biz.

    Just imagine how much kompromat they got just from the one free trip for GQP fat cats when they were invited to Russia. Or Maria Butina with the NRA.
    So freeking naïve.
     
  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Many of them, even the initially reluctant ones, eventually were all-in on the Trumpy circle jerk. When your enemy is God-hating commie Dummocrats, there's no problem being totally wretched. It's your duty as a patriot!
     
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  19. xtomx

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    Anyone see Bill Barr's interview on the Bill Maher show last Friday?

    Maher was half castigating him and half fellating him.

    Barr said he didn't change anything in his summary of the Muller Report. Sure, Bill(s), sure.

    Oh, and then Andrew Sullivan was on the panel.
     
  20. Deadtigers

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    Rachel Maddow's Ultra podcast comes to mind
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    The Durham news is insane …

    weaponised!
     
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  22. Deadtigers

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    Not when you consider how they handled the Cavannagh investigation. They had their answer and were search for the right math to justify the answer. It falls well with the shocked but surprised category.
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    It's amazing that Barr had Durham bury a Trump-Italy financial investigation - we never even knew about that.
     
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  24. Deadtigers

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    Republicans somewhere along the line started to believe the AG should be the presidents lawyer. I remember hearing them talk about how Holder was Ride or Die for Obama. They kindly ignored Ashcroft and the worst of all, Gonzalez and then Mukasey we're all working hard to protect W.
     
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Barr represents the theory of government that makes sense of everything - Anne Applebaum has some good writing about it.

    e.g why does a neo-lib conservative like Charlie Sykes still believe in the rule of law, but 'libertarian' Tucker Carlson does not?

    The answer is that conservatism is hard. You have to develop policies, win elections, and negotiate difficult compromises (see for example the Biden IRA - a masterpiece of climate policy and legislation that got buy in from a very broad coalition).

    'Natcon' is a more promising solution - just use the power of the state to implement your unpopular policies

    This is essentially semi-fascism or an american form of fascism
     
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