News/Rumor: 2023 Chicago Fire Roster Speculation

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  1. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Djordje has not been around here since 2020! We sold him that December. A little late to pine for him.
    He only played more than 20 games for the Fire once, in 2019, and, in that year, he only started 16.
    He played 732, 582, 1448 and 1171 minutes for the Fire from 2017-2020.
    He had 7 goals and 14 assists in four years with the Fire. He had 13 goals and 22 assists in two years with Montreal. He played in more games for the Fire (73) than Montreal (61), but was way, way more productive for Montreal.
    Clearly, there was a disconnect between the team and the player. We have heard for 5 years or more what those disconnects may have been.

    Getting a million dollars for him in 2020, plus a cut of the transfer fee from AZ was a damned good piece of business for the Fire.
    Now, if he played for the Fire as he played for Montreal, that would be a different story.

    For the rest, I will just concur with @harrylee773's sentiments.
     
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  2. splunge63

    splunge63 Member+

    Mar 30, 2014
    west burbs
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    This here is Heitz's make or break moment. And we should definitely plumb the SA ute scene for as many starlets as MLS' arcane financial rules allow.
     
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  3. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Looks like a done deal, subject to medical, personal terms and visa.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64293431

    Jhon Duran: Aston Villa agree £18m deal for Chicago Fire striker

    It actually made the front page of the BBC's football coverage.
    Woo Hoo! for the Fire and great for Jhon Duran.
     
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  4. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    "MLS' arcane financial rules," you say?

    This sounds like a job for

    Nelson 'Shady' Rodriguez

    and his near encyclopedic knowledge of MLS salary rules.

    ...or not.
     
  5. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    This is a great move for the Fire. No way you can pass on that deal. However, the Fire now need to use the money and actually do something right and make us a winning team again.
     
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  6. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Yes, and I think Joe Mansueto will insist on it (at least I hope so).
     
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  7. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
  8. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I mentioned a couple days ago, roster listing for Duran is a head-scratcher. Initially he was not shown on roster with logical explanation of age restrictions. When he did appear, his name only, nothing else. This absence of info. continued until now. Offor was at least listed as an international but not as a U22. Offor’s acquisition fee was less than half that for Duran. I am going with conventional wisdom that Duran was a U22 and Offor was not. Someone opined a few months ago that GAM from Frankowski sale was all needed and used last year. (Maybe?). Pretty sure only GAM from sale of Djordje Mehailovic would be $600K ( 10% of most recent transfer). Unknown continues to be- is there any carry-forward TAM or GAM? Several opinions think this number is ZERO. I just do not know.
    Looks to me like additional GAM from sales could be $1.1m for Gaga plus $ $1.1m
    for Duran plus $0.6m Djordje sell-on or an additional $2.8m total above previous listing. Salary of 5.20m plus $2.72m TAM plus $1.90 “regular “ GAM or $9.83m total (which roughly equaled amount needed). $ 2.80m more is still a big number
     
  9. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    My understanding is that MLS itself pockets like 10 or 15 (maybe even 25%) % of all sales out of the league.
     
  10. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    What I found was.....

    If NOT a U22, we have to share 5% of the sale with the league and the cash to GAM conversion is capped at $1.1m per deal.

    IF U22 tagged, we get to keep 100% of the sale and the GAM conversion is on a sliding scale:


    Transfer of Player:
    In the event a player occupying a U22 Initiative Slot is transferred outside of the League, 100% of the proceeds of the sale (i.e., after out-of-pocket amounts are recouped) will be paid to the Club and such amounts may be converted to General Allocation Money based on the below sliding
    scale:
    Revenue share convertible to GAM in 2022 (increases by five percent (5%) annually thereafter)


    ≤ $2,500,000 is $1,050,000 | $3,000,000 is $840,000 | $3,500,000 is $630,000 | $4,000,000 is $420,000 | $4,500,000 is $210,000 | ≥ $5,000,000 is $0


    I hope I'm reading this wrong, or that Duran was not tagged U22 so that we can end up with $1.1m GAM out of this deal.
     
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  11. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    That sliding scale makes zero sense
     
  12. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    #1012 overlap_old_coach, Jan 16, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2023
    I don’t see how this deal has any influence on that…seriously, Joe wants a winner, Joe has deep pockets, the club getting 20m doesn’t change anything for Heitz.

    our roster was at max spend (with Duran at $160k) so the only thing this might do is add 1.1mil GAM to spend 1.1mil more than before….which is great!

    otherwise this just means CFFC doesn’t need to ask Joe to provide more cash to acquire a big $ DP…so ‘good business’ but doesn’t change desire or ability to do so.
     
  13. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Neither does GAM :D
     
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  14. Jiggly_333

    Jiggly_333 Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 8, 2015
    Corner of Bedlam and Squalor (It's that way ->)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Jiggly_333

    Jiggly_333 Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 8, 2015
    Corner of Bedlam and Squalor (It's that way ->)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I'm pretty sure he was a U22. That's why he wasn't a DP despite his transfer fee.
     
  16. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    I can’t figure how 1.1m from Franki was spent…unless it had something to do with Shaqiri. But even then, he’s a DP…so why use it on him?

    It does make sense the initial Djordje GAM was used for Kacper.

    Only other is if it was needed to buy some folks down to get under the total salary budget…

    until I find something to change my assumption I’m going to stick with the thinking his 1.1 is still in play
     
  17. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GUYS! GUYS! Relax! Go back and read the rules again. The sliding scale is applies to ACQUISITION COSTS, not sale price. MLS wanted to encourage development of young (inexpensive) players so the rule makes sense as written.
     
  18. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t know that all of Frankowski sale GAM was used. I am only repeating what others said quite a while back. Doubt if either Nelson or Heitz would stockpile GAM unless Joe required it. Frankowski sale GAM may have been used for Duran deal.
     
  19. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Hmm, I don’t think so because his listed salary number($120k base $167k guaranteed) was different than the U22 language (salary can’t exceed $612k and when 20 or younger it hits the salary budget charge for $150k…neither is 120k or 167k).

    There is also language about how a U22’s acquisition fees have to be amortized over 3years…and remain less than $612k in total.

    Side note: I found one more detail, prior to selling a U22 they can be reclassified as not U22 using TAM…if you have it…which opens the slot and allows converting more of the cash to GAM (max $1.1m)
     
  20. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would it be possible they used Frankowski sale GAM ?
     
  21. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Silly Question for tonight-
    How soon will a suitable DP or max TAM replacement for Duran be announced?
    A) 36 hours. B) 5 days C) first 2023 match day D) July 4 5) Never
     
  22. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Suitable? LOL
     
  23. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    I hear you, and agree that the wording on the chart/table makes it seem like it only applies to Acquisition...but check out the yellow highlighted words in the rules right before the chart/table
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  24. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    For sure...just not obviously:D
     
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  25. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    in
    Reread for tenth time, still means the same to me- if total acquisition cost is less than or equal $2,500,000, then up to $1,050,000 (in 2022, now up 5% in 2023 to $1,102,500) may be converted to GAM.
     

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