Mikel Arteta is the new Arsenal Manager

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  1. NorthBank

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    Kudos to Mikel for picking up Manager of the Month for November & December. No big surprise though.
     
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  2. And_ROOS

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    This season keeps going like this, and we might have to make an "I was wrong" thread.
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    TBF many of us wanted Arteta in preference to Emery. It’s great he is doing so well

    I will say this shows the best route for a team to develop future managers. Getting them into first team trainer roles at top clubs.
     
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  4. Serengeti_Boy

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    Except for me lol. I am glad I was wrong. Fully behind him.
     
  5. DutchCane

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    Jitty I believe im on the record as saying that I thought he would be good, just not here, since i had no faith in the hierarchy properly backing him so I was wrong in that regard but you are right the organic route is the only sustainable route for non oligarch owned clubs
     
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  6. DaPrince84

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    The next trend in the sport will be big clubs identifying future coaches and managers and helping them get their coaching badges. Arsenal is doing that now and I have a feeling Xhaka has been tagged for that.
     
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  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is thing in rugby for a decade now. They usually learn within the culture, then go off somewhere else for some years and then a hired back. So you have like 2 or 3 people who can look to.
     
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  8. And_ROOS

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    Super prominent in Aussie Rules. Finish your playing career, take a few years off, return as a part time specialist coach, become a part time assistant, coach a local team/school team, become an assistant full time, hope you are at a successful club with a strong culture, and then go into senior coaching.
     
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  9. And_ROOS

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    I should add the big difference between Aussie Rules is because there are only 18 senior clubs, that waiting for a gig at an AFL team means a lot of players are assistant coaches for a solid amount of time. Its why there are a lot of assistant coaches who do very well in a senior gig on their first attempt. Some go to multiple clubs, some are assistants at just one, but they all do a solid spell as assistants to learn how to run teams, how to be involved at high level clubs etc.

    This is different to someone, like say Lampard, who has gotten straight into senior coaching and doesn't look like he knows what he is doing, and he really would have benefited as an assistant coach for a few years. Looking at his CV, he retired in 2016 and was Derby manager in 2018. Thats just not enough time especially when I can't find any information of him being an assistant manager in that gap.

    Meanwhile Arteta was assistant at City from 3rd July 2016 until 20th December 2019. So he got over 3 years as an assistant at City when they were performing at an insanely high rate to learn how to run a team at a big club.
     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yes exactly.

    Whereas in Rugby, someone will be mentored in age group rugby, and get the feel for the performance culture, then go away elsewhere to perform at senior level, where they have to sink or swim.

    The problem with the Lampard "he knows his way round the club" entitlement approach is there is no evidence he has learned key aspects of high performance simply by being a player at a club.

    Mertesacker is a good example of an ex player being developed as a football executive as well.

    Ljungberg is a great example of what not to do.
     
  11. cooper7d7

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    Was Freddie rushed?
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yes IMO

    He didn't have the background when he came into the first team coaching and was nowhere ready to be acting manager. It's kind of a shame because he doesn't seem to have recovered from it?
     
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  13. NorthBank

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    Freddie had 2-3 years of coaching in Arsenal's academy and the U23's before he was asked to step in as interim HC. But those 2-3 years are perhaps not the same as Mikel's being a first team assistant under Pep at Citeh. And then there's the fact that those 2 men are different humans. I think we are seeing now that Arteta has what it takes. Freddie? Not so sure.

    p.s. I absolutely loved Ljungberg as a player for us. But greatness as a player doesn't always translate to coaching.
     
  14. NorthBank

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  16. NorthBank

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    Opening this thread up again to say Happy Anniversary to Mikel who's been in his position for 4 years now this week.

    And also to give BIG KUDOS to a guy with big cajones. Managers take a lot of flack... from all sides. And it can be a slightly thankless position.

    I was a bit apprehensive when he was hired... I thought it was too early for him. But man has he proved me and so many others wrong.

    Who of us would've predicted that in his 3rd and 4th year he'd have us leading the league in December, a legit title contender against the mighty Pep Citeh?

    Nobody knows how long he'll be with us, but he has more than paid us back for whatever he cost, proving his worth, his potential, his coaching nous, etc...

    Felicidades y gracias Mikel!
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    I know this will be controversial but I see the first team trainer role as relatively interchangeable once you establish an integrated culture

    so if Arse stall out, IMO artetas performance will come into question.

    If that happened I hope Xabi Alonso would be under consideration. The next big first team trainer talent IMO.

    upside he is tactically superior to arteta IMO. Downside he has no prem experience.

    should he win the Bundesliga this year or come close I imagine he will be poached by someone.
     
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  18. yossarian

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    For good or for ill, I don't think your initial premise is on solid ground here.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    Interestingly Artq§eta is already the 3rd longest serving EPL manager at 4 years behind Klopp (8) and Pep (7.5)

    I wouldn't expect him to be in danger unless top 4 was slipping away
     
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  20. NorthBank

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    Disagree that changing Arsenal’s current manager is anywhere near easily “interchangeable.”

    ps. Xabi Alonso has 5 years experience in the Prem as a player FWIW.
     
  21. And_ROOS

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    I don't think we have an integrated culture. It feels like the clubs currently built around Edu and Arteta and I think losing one of the two would be disastrous.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    I don't feel like the first team trainer rule is that irreplaceable now as is clear from other clubs and that is definitely the way it should be. Of course the longer Arteta stays the more on an issue it might become
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    #1073 The Jitty Slitter, Jan 2, 2024
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    We are not at City levels, but I think we are rivalling Liverpool in terms of having everything aligned around an overall culture and vision.
     
  24. DaPrince84

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    Just sharing this here:


     
  25. NorthBank

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