The Schreuder Era Starts and Ends: 2022-23 Ajax Season

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  1. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
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    He had a short bench. He cannot be blamed for three key players missing the game becuase of illness

    he often beat his player to the goal line and delivered some key passes. His pass to Tadic on the first goal was right on target
     
  2. Brilliant Dutch

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    Amsterdam, Holland
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    Still too early to give up on Lucca IMO.
    He needs more starts and if Brobbey is seriously injured he'll get those
     
  3. wynaldaisagod

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    Aug 9, 2019
    I agree bench was very thin but lots of things he could have done differently and before there were 20 minutes left...

    Lucca had 2-3 of the most dangerous moments. Only came on because Brobbey (who was awful) got hurt. Why not some of them both on the field or Lucca on earlier?

    Sanchez is awful. Why not bring on Winjdal, move Rensch to RB, Basesey to LCB? Something is off about Winjdal.

    I liked Fitz-Jim for Taylor sub but it was way, way too late. I want to see him get more time especially if Taylor is going to be this poor.

    I actually though Tadic was very good. First 15-20 minutes probably should had a hockey assist + 1-2 more. Faded as the match went on but created a ton out of the gates. All the 'advanced' stats say he was by far the best player on the field (WhoScored gave him a 8.8). He's probably just a 65-70 minute player at his age.

    You're right maybe I am being harsh on Concenaio. Re-watched the highlights and he had some really key passes.
     
  4. Orange14

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    He is one of the best pure passers to come up through the Ajax youth system. Big question is whether he can defend at this level and what position he will play.
     
  5. He was ruined by LvG in the Orange selection.
     
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  6. I from the very start said he to me is a Benteke, not a Lukaku quality player.
     
  7. Mmm, you're blaming the coach for the selection he has to deal with after the sell out by Ajax.
     
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  8. wilson00

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    how did sandler do ???
     
  9. Orange14

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    JUst average. He screwed up a couple of times. No more than a 5 for me
     
  10. wynaldaisagod

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    Aug 9, 2019
    Totally agree- I think he's got upside though and if you play him with Alvarez behind, I think you can get away with some of the weak defending. We need desperately need passing in the midfield.

    Most of all-- I want to find out what we have in him and just start playing youth guys. These older guys just are not good enough. I'd rather give minutes to the kids if we can't beat bottom half teams.
    Selection and coaching both awful.

    I'll say this-- the talent is not good enough to beat teams like Liverpool/Napoli. But not beating NEC, GAE, Vitessee (awful this year), Emmen? That's just horrendous coaching.
     
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  11. wynaldaisagod

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    Aug 9, 2019
    I'm really interested by Lucca. Seems like he can move a bit and technically is fine. I'd love to see him play more. I'm not sure he'd be great at the top, CL level. But I would bet he'd score tons of goals vs. the bottom teams which sadly is what we need.

    I still think Bosz is the best guy for the club right now. When he came in 16/17, IMO the best thing he did was totally turn over the squad. We had some serious duds starting and he handed the keys over to youth players while still winning a ton of matches. I think that is the first step in cleaning up this disaster.
     
  12. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    He's had some nice goals for Jong Ajax and I also think there is some upside to him. He's kind of like Wehorst in his type of attacking play.

    Bosz was good in comparison to the guy he replaced and not much more. I don't think he is anywhere close to a long term solution for Ajax. He has had very little success after leaving Ajax. I think the Board is going to stay with Schreuder through to the end of the year. If he is sacked, Reiziger will likely be a caretaker manager as this is what happened in past years (other than when Keizer was sacked at winter break and EtH came in.

    In the modern era, only van Gaal and de Boer managed the club for five years. The expectations are so high that maybe that is all that can be expected. In van Gaal's case he wanted to test himself at Barca. de Boer was tactically inept.
     
  13. BPBlueSox

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    Ajax
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    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
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    Does schreuder even speak with the players? Seriously, screw this guy.
     
  14. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

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    Amsterdam, Holland
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    Wesley on the current Ajax situation

     
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  15. BPBlueSox

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    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
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    Just even seeing the face of Schreuder and listening to his arrogant voice is so irritating. I like what van der meyde had to say. The man is an assistant trainer at best. Anyways, the club really is a whole mess though.
     
  16. I don't understand why Ajax bought and paid that huge amount of money for Bassy.
    He's useless going forward and technically I don't think he's that good.
    Tete was ousted by iirc Peter Bosz for being limited going forward, but defensively in my opinion he was one of the best.
    Tete is far better than Bassey.
     
  17. richsavare

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    Jan 28, 2003
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    Cannot say it enough and that is this current team is a mess.
    Being linked with a couple of Brazilians and an Argentine Defender but let’s give these youngsters a chance.
    Midfield needs some help in the creativity area especially when Berghuis is not playing. Need to see others as Berghuis is 30 years old so again give the youth a runout.
    Brobbey not getting decent supply and the same thing was happening to Bergwijn as the Ajax possession and movement from the back and midfield is not great.
    The biggest problem however is the inept Manager whose selections and man management appear to be awful.
     
  18. Orange14

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    I always liked Tete who was a great defensive RB. It is just not clear whether Bassey can make it or not. He was quite good for Rangers last year but was predominantly a LB, IIRC. He has good athletic skill but I'm not sure if he is a CB. Ajax just lost too many key players last summer and there is no way they were going to be easily replaced. It looks like other than Brobbey the players who came in are not that good. There will be two more holes to fill when Alvarez and Timber leave next summer.
     
  19. BPBlueSox

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    Ajax
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    Georgia
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    thats the thing that is so weird about Bassey. Buying him along with Wijndal… dumping 30something million into these players. Wasn’t the Bassey purchase supposed to be filling a cb need? Was he even properly scouted? Instead there ended up being three expensive lb: Blind, Bassey, and Wijndal. It really feels like there is no plan, no one at the wheel… which begs the question of course: where is the TD?!
     
  20. richsavare

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    Clearly there are problems with scouting and then from Schreuder comes issues with training, tactics, and apparently lack of communication with him and the players.
    Bassey is athletic but is lacking in technical ability. He reminds me of a poor man’s Winston Bogarde who I must admit was a pretty solid LCB when he played at Barca.
    No idea what is the plan with the Nigerian moving forward.
    Wijndal has problems with fitness and injuries since his move.
    Figured he would be the left back but Blind also involved in this equation.
    Now Blind is gone but Wijndal I guess is not working hard enough in training so we have another complete unknown.
    I wonder if Wijndal and Schreuder have a problem with one another on top of this?
    In any case I’m very disappointed with his lack of production and not sure if he will ever improve on his best form at AZ.
    He certainly did not perform very well in Oranje as he seemed to lack confidence. Not much quality in runs forward & crosses.
     
  21. Brilliant Dutch

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    #947 Brilliant Dutch, Jan 11, 2023
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  22. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
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    A bunch of players will miss today's Beker game against Den Bosch because of the flu. Latest one to get sick is Timber. Fitz-Jim looks to start in MF with Alvarez and Klaassen. Lucca will be at 9 because Brobbey is out. New keeper Rulli is scheduled to start.
     
  23. pfloyd

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    Mar 18, 2012
    Varna, Bulgaria
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Entire Jong Ajax will be on the bench. Now is the time to give them playing time, but will he?
     
  24. wynaldaisagod

    wynaldaisagod Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Aug 9, 2019
    I think Bosz is a perfect match for Ajax and that's the only top club where his philosphy/ideas work. Getting to the EL final with basically the youngest team ever in European history was incredible. He got results lacking serious quality or experience at a bunch of positions. He benched some older, under performers for youth players. I agree no one is probably going to coach more than 3-4 years at Ajax. I'd be fine with PB for 2-3 as we need a youth movement.

    Anyone watch the match? Just looked at the score a few debuts: Hato (16), Olivier Aertssen (18) and Rulli. Can't believe Jensen is still with the club- feels like he's been there forever.
     
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