Arsenal vs Newcastle (EPL) 3 Jan 2023

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  1. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Totally fair, and our away record is good this year.
     
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  2. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    yeah man, don't get me wrong I obv wanted 3 pt tonight but this was the game I expected in terms of how it played out. Howe sets up to frustrate, does it against all the free flowing sides.
     
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  3. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    Yeah he's more of a central player, we needed someone to really stay wide to create space as Newcastle knew we would come in field and seemed happy to bunker in front of/next to their PK box
     
  4. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Gabriel shirt pull and the Xhaka handball late were obvious penalties in other premier league games this year and in the world cup SO OF COURSE they aren't clear penalties for us. Can't have Arsenal having it their own way can we?

    But I'm sure we see more of Saka kicked around and getting a frivolous yellow.
     
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  5. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which? I've seen the handball one given. I think it's 50/50. Burn horse-collaring Gabriel is a foul all day everywhere else on the pitch. Not sure why VAR didn't at least say have a look.
     
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  6. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting though that clickbait bullshit ESPN article immediately after the match was arguing this. Fwiw, I lean toward your take.
     
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  7. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I think that as the players have gotten better, Arteta's toned it down a bit as well. The number of head in hands red cards has gone down as well (remember the Auba and Eddie red cards?).
     
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  8. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The more we have obvious control of a game, the less wound up he gets. And for the most part this season, we’ve controlled every match. It’s just that when you don’t have control of a game, I think his energy transmits anxiety
     
  9. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Tend to agree with dez:

     
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  10. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Maybe Arteta was keeping all his subs fresh for the big Oxford United match.
     
  11. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some of my local buddies-Gooners and I have a text chain during matches. At the conclusion of this one, I said "while I love the Xhaka redemption arc and think he's been mostly fantastic this season, there are still times when I suspect a more dynamic incisive left 8 might help us break down teams better."
     
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  12. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who do you think would have been a potential difference maker? Vieira? The bench was pretty light on attacking options.
     
  13. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Part of me thinks the lack of attacking options on the bench is a plan to get Stan & Josh to open their checkbooks this month for reinforcements asap.

    Late in the match I was thinking I would have preferred last season’s version of Pepe over any of today’s bench options for attack.
     
  14. leppercut

    leppercut Member+

    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In form ESR would have helped a lot
     
  15. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Wasn't really being serious. I saw speculation ESR might be back for Oxford, would have been nice to have him as a healthy option off the bench. Vieira might have made an impact. Tierney would have offered something different, maybe not for the better. Holding and Elneny are only good to hold a lead, not create one. The one sub Arteta did use in Tomi wasn't going to change things much from White.

    Don't really think Mudryk is the type of player who would have made an impact, either. Big target man might have been a good option
     
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  16. footykid

    footykid Member+

    Jan 10, 2005
    Mississauga, Ont
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    We needed more take-ons centrally around the box. It's much easier to get ready for an interception when you don't have to set yourself as support for a man getting dribbled. This is the sort of game where you want a Sanchez.

    Not winning is annoying, but we go again.
     
  17. Silva 5

    Silva 5 Member+

    Mar 10, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Newcastle were excellent in achieving exactly what they wanted. A number of our players weren't at their best, but credit to Newcastle for leading them down that path.

    This was a proper English match of high stakes and there's nothing like it in football.

    I hate to say this because 07/08 is my favorite Arsenal side and certainly the best of the oil money era, but this is the sort of match that made that team come unglued. Today Newcastle came out like the bully on the block and by the end we had them shaking. They're a good side who should finish top 4 based on what we've seen so far and Arsenal showed a lot of spine today.

    After this game has my feeling for this team wavered or grown? It's grown.
     
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  18. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We win this match if whichever Madley brother that was knew how to do his job.
     
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  19. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Newcastle are strong defensively

    pretty even game. I would’ve liked to of seen Saka more isolated vs burn as he can roast him all day. Eddie was a bit all over the place I felt and had team mates pointing for him to move
     
  20. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Tanzania
    True. But also he was a player under Wenger when we had little support from referees and endured injuries to Eduardo, Shawcross and also many calls against us.

    I think as a manager now, that has made him become animated and tough. It also wins loyalty from the players since he's fighting for them. It's more of a good thing than bad unless he starts getting reds.
     
  21. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I was wondering about the White sub, but I suspect he was gassed. After that play where he chased down Willock in the corner and made a bit of an awkward (but effective tackle) he looked spent. But obviously I'm speculating.

    I think I agree about Mudryk. From what we know, he's a run into space guy and not a break down packed defenses specialist. I dunno, but maybe his pace and fresh legs running at tired ones would still have helped.
     
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  22. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This replay angle makes the handball seem more than 50/50, IMHO. Looks like he's turning into it, instead of trying to pull/tuck his arm away.

     
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  23. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yikes. The Premier League's implementation of VAR is quite bad. Not bad in the "Juve didn't win because VAR's cameras didn't go out far enough to catch a player playing someone onside" but bad in the sense that there's no transparency and it feels like the VAR official is basically a bad pundit.

    Yesterday's performance was down to Newcastle defending well/cynically (Scott Willis has some interesting numbers on that - you guys should look them up), and also a tired team after three games in eight days coming back from the World Cup. The holiday fixture list is tough.
     
  24. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure. But tapping the "both things can be true" bingo space (or AV pod coffee mug), we all know that in a game with such fine margins, decisions or non-decisions like this and the Gabriel horse collar can absolutely turn the outcome.
     
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  25. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I agree completely. The ref was bad yesterday, and the VAR ref was in a coma.
     
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