But this month's failure laid bare the bigger, structural failures in Mexico, and those bigger, structural failures have already been felt further down the ranks into the youth national teams. After decades of dominance at the U20 & U23 levels, that has started to dry up...— Matthew Doyle (@MattDoyle76) December 1, 2022 This is a great thread in my opinion but I am not tapped in to Mexican football. Thoughts gentleman?
the first point is an interesting one and one I think I saw either Martin del Palacio or someone else touch upon it on Twitter. That the focus has moved from developing players to just winning at the youth levels. think the other 2 points (bad coaching and infrastructure that doesn’t reward merit or good coaching and Liga MX has been terrible at producing young talent lately) are things you’ll find most of us here complaining about
Meh... these are all things that have been said about Mexico before. I remember after 2002, and subsequent failures in Gold Cups, project 2010 was in full steam and Mexico was clearly getting left behind. Then they weren't. One thing to keep in mind while drawing conclusions is that this was definitely a crippled version of Mexico, especially in the attack. Most teams would have a hard time dealing with potentially 4 choice attacking options being taken off the table entirely or being gimped by injury. Let alone the fact that other in form players could have been used as well. This is not to serve as an excuse for their poor performance, the results are what they are. But when discussing the demise of the Mexico NT its important to keep the facts straight. Now with that being said, there are definitely internal issue that the Mexican Fed needs to work out.
The more mexico is in cahoots with the MLS the lower the quality of play will be because the bottom line is the dollar. Then MLS will kick LigaMX ass and they will find themselves trying to play catch up. Hell most LigaMX teams barely fill up their stadiums nowadays.
The MLS money is too good. It is why they play games in Texas and Southwest. The FMF could easily come up with a homegrown program to encourage the playing of youth or bring back the U-23 league. Not every team can afford a competitive youth program but there are ways around it. The problem is wanting to do something like that. They are continuingly reward for mediocrity so they have no motivation to do better.
Sorry I am late but what I know is in MLS there is a salary cap but academy kids don't count against the cap if it is their first pro contract. So you can bring up a 17 year old five a 600k for 3 years and that yearly cost of 200K doesn't count against the cap. With no cap in Mexico it makes sense to take the proceeds from the National team games in the USA make a homegrown players plan. Every academy kid that gets signed to the first team the club gets money from the FMF to offset his salary cost. A U23 league needs to come back. Regionalize it travel is too costly.
Have you just started following Mexican football? Mexican fútbol owners only care about 1 thing, getting richer. Take a guess how many years the SUM/FMF contract has been in place? 23 years at -/+ 2 million dollars a pop. You do the math. That is just that contract. You know which sports team is the most expensive in the world? The Dallas Cowboys ( I don’t follow America football). You know what other sports team rivals it? The Mexican national team in the USA. Mexican fútbol owners have had decades to work on something. They ain’t doing shit except being more blatant. I think the Mexican national team has played 20% of its matches in Mexico and 80% in the USA in the last few years.
I haven't really followed Mexican football. My love for Mexican football comes from the fact that when I immigrated to New York City at the age of 6 in 1985, it was the only football I could watch for like almost a decade. As I got more options I fell away from Mexican football but have always supported Mexico due to living in New York and having lots of Mexican friends. By coincidence years later I marry a girl who's half Mexican so I'm back supporting Mexico although she and her family don't pay attention to Mexican football but me. However greedy owners, I am familiar with. But that doesn't explain the FMF not working on developing talent. It is in their best interest.
The setup is pretty straightforward. The club owners in essence own the national team. They are in it for business purposes only. With the SUM plug they realized that the product was no longer important because the US based Mexicans, with their American dollars and nostalgia would show up regardless. It’s funny that @LAFEFUT mentioned the Dallas Cowboys. They have consistently done the same thing as the National Team. Lots of smoke but no results. In the end, the brand is what matters and the product, the players, only need to sell hope to sell jerseys and fill seats. I still remember when I first got into international soccer in the 94 World Cup and the quality on the Mexican team was staggering, and most of the players were from the local league. The Liga MX product is so beneath that now but the money still rolls in. The product only improves when the owners see a direct link between their profits and the quality of the product. That just doesn’t currently exist. The US, on the other hand, has played this soccer relationship very well. Granted they had more ground to cover, but since the advent of the MLS in 94, they have caught up and are starting to dominate. The Mexican owners have made their money, but the US is starting to win the bigger prize - to be the dominant soccer power in the area. Some of it even feels like a bait and switch. It’s as if the owners sold a piece of land at a price that made them rich but the new owners knew there were valuable minerals there worth even more. It’s hard to argue they are not better positioned for success in 2026 than Mexico. This can change, of course, because the margins are really small. All you need is to uncover one or two different players. Mexico needs to put 2022 in the rear view mirror and look forward. I’ll forever feel robbed we had what was tantamount to a double agent as coach, that refused to put the best out there and made us lose faith, but that’s in the past now. This next coach will be important, but even more important will be the work at the league level. Not sure the owners will be able to change their way of doing things in time.
you stop going to the stadiums you hurt the FMF and club owners where it hurts them the most, their pockets....But since we have so many idiotic mediocre fans.............we will continue to be mediocre for life.
Jon De Luisa- It doesnt matter the idiotic fans will continue to go to the stadiums and make us richer. There is nothing you or anyone here can do about it. So go to the games with your ridiculous El Tr jersey and make us richer. #mediocresporvida
Like if the Nads thrashed Mexico in a game like that Germany Brazil WC game, would cause enough heads to roll and change or would it have to be like a 6 game losing streak. Why do these ********ers always force you to root for bad things to happen in order to enact change!!
When will they announce the new coach? Is it still between Piojo and Almeda? Is there are chance of Bielsa?
Piojo and Almeda. I'll continue to believe Bielsa is a pipe dream. They also just I interviewed Nacho Ambriez. I wouldn't be mad if they chose him. He's a disciple of Javier Aguirre.
Mediotiempo says Wednesday or Thursday now that all candidates have been interviewed but who knows if that’s true
The FMF is such a damn circus Surprised they don’t do a reality show type of draft event to announce who the new NT coach is going to be
Google my friend: His preferred formation is the 4-4-2 double six, but he's been know to use the 4-3-3 attacking and defending formations and the 4-2-3-1.
How in the fuck do you go from Almada to Cocca? Irragori and his buddies are gonna run the FMF to the ground They only give a shit about their interests, forget what’s best for our fútbol