Giovanni “Gio” Reyna US National Team Discussion

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  1. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 19, 1998
    le côté obscur
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Semis.
     
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  3. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I think you said they are not experts. That was the point I was disputing. This is a different point.
     
  4. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    Leicester City FC

    What I don’t understand is why didn’t they pull the content immediately and issue an apology?
     
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  5. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
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    That's what's weird. They put a disclaimer out that it shouldn't be out there, and still left it out there. Bizzaro.
     
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  6. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

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    Your example is a guy that played a handful of games at Hannover and the great Clint Dempsey.

    Both of those guys were disruptive types. Big time.

    Not that it matters for this conversation because they were both disruptive types, but one used it to become the greatest U.S. players ever. The other played a dozen games in Germany and returned to the fledgling MLS.
     
  7. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Leicester City FC
    I thought that was pretty good and provides a pretty good perspective. Kinda wonder if a little bit of time will make all the outrage fade considerably.

    I also wonder if we would be talking about any of this if Reyna weren’t hyper talented. Let’s admit there is one set of rules for players we think are good, and another set for those who aren’t as talented.

    As a San Antonio Spurs fan, where the teams the thing - I wonder if those blasting the coach believe an individual player is above the rules. The coach who didn’t send him home and kept the team together - and who played the talented dude. That’s more impressive than some give him credit.
     
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  8. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    Mathis had one of the greatest stretches of any US player and before his injuries had that potential (to be our best ever). I maintain that it was his genetics (like G Rossi) that did him in more than anything.
     
  9. NietzscheIsDead

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    PR firms will tell you to release damaging information on your own terms so that you can minimize the damage before it gets released on someone else’s terms.

    Its a way of going on offense. You do it with your narrative on your timing through your channels.

    If Berhalter did this on purpose I’d be impressed. It gets this drama out of the teams system AFTER the World Cup and BEFORE the group re-enters prep for competition starting with the friendlies out here in LA in January. Pretty savvy if done purposefully.
     
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  10. NietzscheIsDead

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    The reason that the Spurs were so successful is because Tim Duncan modeled professionalism, even though he was an inferior player in every aspect to Dirk Nowitzki.
     
  11. NietzscheIsDead

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    That all depends on Gio.

    If he stays in the picture and makes it an issue, the team won’t have much hope in 2026.
     
  12. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

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    Could be. He was super exciting to watch play. Brash like Dempsey. Also a super disruptive player.
     
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  13. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    Haha that’s insane. Nowitzki is no where near Tim Duncan. Excellent shooter though.
     
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  14. NietzscheIsDead

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    Just some friendly ribbing from a Mavericks fan. It’s like a sibling rivalry.

    You’re right. Nowitzki is nowhere near Duncan on the all-time scoring list. Dirk is #6 and Duncan is #15.
     
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  15. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Do you mean Irk Nowitzki because that dude had no D.
     
  16. RossD

    RossD Member+

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    All the posters screaming how Gio is a superstar, or will shortly be one, is a prime example of how delusional some fans are. He's played like 20 games in the last 2 years. He hasn't done anything to help his club or country in that time because he couldn't stay on the field. He could be great. He could also completely flame out and be out of professional sports in 2 years. He has potential but has shown very little consistency. He's 20, he's hopefully got a long career ahead of him. But he has to earn it with his actual play on the field.
    I still think this is much ado about nothing. He'd be a college sophomore. He will learn and move on. This kind of thing happens all the time.
     
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  17. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
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    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
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    United States
    So one player is the future of the program? Give me a break. I think you need to talk with a bunch of other current players and ask them if they agree. "Special" talent does not imply you are more special.
     
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  18. Excellency

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    Do you recall Rodman taking his sneakers off on the bench, LMAO. 3G's Popovich was outraged.:mad: Bye, bye Rodman.
     
  19. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
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    I'm kind of tired of talking about what happened, it's in the past. I'm more concerned with what this means for Gio going forward. Does this whole saga light a fire under him? Does he put forth full effort and realize his world class potential?

    Because Gregg is/should be gone after this. And if this is the catalyst for igniting the work ethic in Gio that carries on well past Gregg's tenure here, then he might have done us a solid on his way out.
     
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  20. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
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    Bingo
     
  21. honest trade

    honest trade Member

    Aug 15, 2010
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    7 goals and 8 assists in all competitions for Dortmund in 20/21 as an 18 year old, then started the next season with 2 goals in 3 games in the BL before his injury. He was on the path to stardom. Assuming he makes a full recovery it’s hardly delusional to think he will continue on that same trajectory.
     
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  22. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

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    This is when having a good father pays.

    Wes had a good dad who set him on the right path. And his dad gave Berhalter ample praise, too. You can bet he taught his son that valuable lesson that when things don't go your way, you work harder.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ussoccer/comments/zjiudn/weston_mckennies_dad_john_mckennie_on_gregg/

    Claudio is a good dad. He'll know what to do.

    It's the difference, oftentimes, between the guy who makes it far, and the one who falls at the first obstacle. Maybe Owen Otasowie would have fared better, had he had a relationship with his dad.

    I know, I know, it's not PC to say these things these days. And there are always plenty of exceptions. I'm just talking about what I know in my own experience. Take it as you wish.
     
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  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since his return from injury, Reyna played 67m vs Stuttgart, 87m vs Manchester City, 63m vs Copenhagen, 67m vs Bochum, 45m vs Munchengladbach... saying he "didn't play a single full 90" when he played 87 minutes seems disingenuous... do you think they pulled him because he couldn't handle those final 3 minutes without his body breaking down, or because teams often make substitutions at the end of games? Also, the US had 4.5 wingers for 2 starting positions (Morris the .5), why would he even need to go a "full 90"?
     
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  24. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
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    Apr 14, 2009
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So why is Weah playing then? What has he done from a club perspective or remind me the difference on the field for club? Pulisic? Has he been consistent?

    Weah only has 80 marches since 2019 for Lille. Pulisic’s stats are basically even with Reyna except for one out of the last three seasons

    Reyna in his limited time has also be noticeably more consistent than Weah and a far been creator than Pulisic. Roughly backed up by FotMob but hard to compare the most recent season since neither play consistently.

    What you are saying about flaming out applies to young players in general.

    Nothing you are saying is backing up calling other fans delusional whatsoever. If anything you are inspiring me to actually look at the data and now I’m wondering why the hell Weah was playing as much as he was.

    I’m becoming more convinced Berhalter really messed this cup up and had we not completely missed 2018 due to the dumpster fire of USSF decisions and pool management then a lot more people would be agreeing with the scrutiny.

    Reyna should have been playing. You don’t sit a player with the amount of talent and our best creator on the bench. The reasoning doesn’t make sense and yet again GB outthinks himself on this while completely lying about injury.
     
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  25. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    Well, if GGG communicated with Gio that you will only have a limited role. Like it or not, like it coming aboard, don’t like it, then don’t call you up. Just like Steffens was dropped.
    Then there is no controversy.
     
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