A serious question: with Brazil underperforming talent at the last two World Cups, would people want Tite despite that? Obviously a good coach given his longer track record, but this is two bad results.
Stop getting in the way of my ability to paint broad swathes of 'Murica with the same brush! Life is easier when I don't have to think critically!
They were fairly dominant in qualifying also. And he won one Copa America and lost the other in the final to Argentina. Not saying he’s the guy, but I guess I don’t read too much into losing a game in the knockout round in penalties. The problem I have is it’s hard to approximate whose a realistic foreign coach and who isn’t. We all throw names out there, but none of is actually know if that person is remotely interested. Whereas the MLS candidates we know for certain. Or if Jesse Marsch end ups being let go from Leeds at some point, we know he’d definitely jump at the job.
Dunno enough about him. I didn't have Brazil winning this match anyways. Brazil clearly has a great attack but I felt the midfield would bite them in the end. I wasn't totally right in that assessment but I've heard a lot of people say this is the best Brazil side since 2002 and I rolled my eyes at that
He'd probably do it and speaks good English, that's not a bad shout. He's a fun character whose teams play nasty, I think people would like him.
I can't speak to what the fanbase would be excited about. Some loved Berhalter when he was hired, some hated him and the majority went back and forth based on results. I suspect the next manager (even if it is Berhalter) will have a similar viewpoint by the fanbase. I do know that the international game has very different requirements from the club game. The international game is much more about talent selection and player (ego) management. There really is not enough time to design and grove any complex scheme. That is where Berhalter failed this very talented USMNT pool.. I have no idea what criteria you used to assert that those 20 names are "better". I do know that Pep, Klopp, Simeone, Mourinho, Arteta, and Sampaoli have a very specific playing style and at the club level can buy and extensively and painstakingly train and integrate players into that style. That won't work at the international level where you have what you have and have very little time to work with it.
Yeah, just a question. Good track record historically. Two bad runs in the World Cup. It's an odd job because it all comes down to the World Cup, but let's be honest, on the scale of controllable coaching outcomes ... it's way down there.
I was told reaching the quarterfinals was a great success for a second cycle coach?? Embarrassing from Tite, sat back with the 1-0 lead and sent in Fred!2 cycles for the Brazilian 🇧🇷 manager and 2 Quarter-Finals exits, awful, terrible. Has to go!— Tactical Manager (@ManagerTactical) December 9, 2022
Worse than 2010 smh... will likely be replaced by Klinsmann within a year With the round of 16 concluded, USA finishes ranked 14th at the World Cup.Modern-era finishes1990🇮🇹 - 23rd1994🇺🇸 - 14th1998🇫🇷 - 32nd2002🇰🇷 - 8th2006🇩🇪 - 25th2010🇿🇦 - 12th2014🇧🇷 - 15th2018🇷🇺 - DNQ2022🇶🇦 - 14th— Brian Straus (@BrianStraus) December 7, 2022
And to Tite's credit, stylistically they were. Dunga put some decent sides together but they weren't Brazil. Tite got them playing like Brazil in a way that worked with modern tactics. I have no idea of his interest or fit for the USMNT, but his Brazil tenure has been a high quality and noble failure.
It’s true a different sort of coach typically coaches in international soccer. Someone like Southgate has done a very good job for England, but is not really an elite level club coach. Similarly Argentina’s coach has done well for them, but didn’t have a ton of experience before this job. The point I was trying to make that we are throwing a lot of names out there, but the best international coaches can often have non traditional backgrounds. And people won’t be excited by that, but it doesn’t mean they will be a bad fit with the USMNT. I’m sure Pep and Klopp will try international management for a time and I’m sure they’ll be good at it. It’s different from international soccer, but they are good enough coaches that I’m sure they’ll maximize whatever situation they are in. You’re also just a lot more subject to luck and variance at the international level. You don’t have a full season to show results. I think Flick is a very good coach for instance, and Germany’s underlying numbers were excellent for the World Cup, but they were out in the group stage. Similarly it’s hard to read too much into what happens into losing in a game in penalties in the knockout stage. But of course we do.
Let me quote this to clarify as well that while I say I don't think this was the best Brazil team since 2002 I also don't think Tete underachieving like Tac thinks they did. Yes there's a difference in expectations with Brazil but I just personally felt they lacked some characteristics from their players that to me made then a quarter final team that could compete for a semi final So it's also more to praise Tete as I do feel this Brazillian team was overrated
I'm not sure of that at all. You can't do the thing they do that makes them elite outside of a club context. You can't get specific enough players and can't be specific enough tactically. And the other thing about international management is that while clubs are all in some sense the same, just on a spectrum of talent and money and opponent quality and expectations, various national jobs are really quite fundamentally different. Gareth Southgate and England is the paradigmatic example. All that program needed was someone to chill everybody the f*** out. His inexplicable ability to get the players and media and WAGs and clubs to just be 10% less ridiculous and self-sabotaging allowed him to tap into their elite talent with super rudimentary tactics in a way an all-timer genius like Fabio Capello could not. The US would benefit from Fabio Capello, IMO. It needs someone who's going to add a little extra something both in tactical substance and in vibes.
Though here’s a take for you I will never understand these incompetent managers, Tite and Gregg Berhalter. They have the better side and the lead and then decide to sit back and play their own luck. Gregg on the 🇺🇸vs🏴 and 🇺🇸vs🇮🇷Tite on the 🇧🇷vs🇭🇷Play your own luck and you get punished.— Tactical Manager (@ManagerTactical) December 9, 2022
Both have said so outright that they want to. Pep in particular has said that his next job will be an international job and Klopp has said he wants to coach Germany at some point. They both have two of the most intense jobs in club soccer. I think both will pursue international management for a period to break a break from that intensity. The same way someone like Conte did with Italy.
I counter with this as this is what led to the goal maybe, just maybe, having 4 guys in the final third and 7 guys in the opponent's half when ahead 1-0 in the 117th minute is bad pic.twitter.com/QldG0I8P9V— Jerry Hinnen (@JerryHinnen) December 9, 2022 I do like Tac and think he's very knowledgeable. I just didn't see Brazil as the team to beat this world cup like so many did. They just seemed to be missing something to me.
Brazil's idea of "sit back" beaten, with the exact same tweet lol Edit: Since this comment provides nothing new, I'll add this: Neymar 🇧🇷 has to be subbed out at this point.— Tactical Manager (@ManagerTactical) December 9, 2022 Brazil fan and tactical manager woulda prevented us from getting one of the top five WC goals