Next Coach

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    Ronald Koeman. It’s already been announced that he is taking over for LVG after this World Cup.
     
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  2. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    A serious question: with Brazil underperforming talent at the last two World Cups, would people want Tite despite that? Obviously a good coach given his longer track record, but this is two bad results.
     
  3. Pisscutter

    Pisscutter Member

    Apr 15, 2005
    Stop getting in the way of my ability to paint broad swathes of 'Murica with the same brush! Life is easier when I don't have to think critically!
     
  4. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Slavan bilic. Teach us the Croatian ways
     
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  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They were fairly dominant in qualifying also. And he won one Copa America and lost the other in the final to Argentina.

    Not saying he’s the guy, but I guess I don’t read too much into losing a game in the knockout round in penalties.

    The problem I have is it’s hard to approximate whose a realistic foreign coach and who isn’t. We all throw names out there, but none of is actually know if that person is remotely interested. Whereas the MLS candidates we know for certain. Or if Jesse Marsch end ups being let go from Leeds at some point, we know he’d definitely jump at the job.
     
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  6. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Dunno enough about him. I didn't have Brazil winning this match anyways. Brazil clearly has a great attack but I felt the midfield would bite them in the end. I wasn't totally right in that assessment but I've heard a lot of people say this is the best Brazil side since 2002 and I rolled my eyes at that
     
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  7. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    He'd probably do it and speaks good English, that's not a bad shout. He's a fun character whose teams play nasty, I think people would like him.
     
  8. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't speak to what the fanbase would be excited about. Some loved Berhalter when he was hired, some hated him and the majority went back and forth based on results. I suspect the next manager (even if it is Berhalter) will have a similar viewpoint by the fanbase.

    I do know that the international game has very different requirements from the club game. The international game is much more about talent selection and player (ego) management. There really is not enough time to design and grove any complex scheme. That is where Berhalter failed this very talented USMNT pool..

    I have no idea what criteria you used to assert that those 20 names are "better". I do know that Pep, Klopp, Simeone, Mourinho, Arteta, and Sampaoli have a very specific playing style and at the club level can buy and extensively and painstakingly train and integrate players into that style. That won't work at the international level where you have what you have and have very little time to work with it.
     
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  9. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Yeah, just a question. Good track record historically. Two bad runs in the World Cup.

    It's an odd job because it all comes down to the World Cup, but let's be honest, on the scale of controllable coaching outcomes ... it's way down there.
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was told reaching the quarterfinals was a great success for a second cycle coach??
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Worse than 2010 smh... will likely be replaced by Klinsmann within a year

     
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  12. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Tac is also a Brazillian Homer that bought into this being the best Brazillian team in 20 years
     
  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I'd prefer a Euro-based coach who is proficient in the modern game.
     
  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Individually, they were.
     
  15. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Personally I disagree
     
  16. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    And to Tite's credit, stylistically they were.

    Dunga put some decent sides together but they weren't Brazil. Tite got them playing like Brazil in a way that worked with modern tactics.

    I have no idea of his interest or fit for the USMNT, but his Brazil tenure has been a high quality and noble failure.
     
  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s true a different sort of coach typically coaches in international soccer. Someone like Southgate has done a very good job for England, but is not really an elite level club coach. Similarly Argentina’s coach has done well for them, but didn’t have a ton of experience before this job.

    The point I was trying to make that we are throwing a lot of names out there, but the best international coaches can often have non traditional backgrounds. And people won’t be excited by that, but it doesn’t mean they will be a bad fit with the USMNT.

    I’m sure Pep and Klopp will try international management for a time and I’m sure they’ll be good at it. It’s different from international soccer, but they are good enough coaches that I’m sure they’ll maximize whatever situation they are in.

    You’re also just a lot more subject to luck and variance at the international level. You don’t have a full season to show results. I think Flick is a very good coach for instance, and Germany’s underlying numbers were excellent for the World Cup, but they were out in the group stage. Similarly it’s hard to read too much into what happens into losing in a game in penalties in the knockout stage. But of course we do.
     
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  18. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Let me quote this to clarify as well that while I say I don't think this was the best Brazil team since 2002 I also don't think Tete underachieving like Tac thinks they did. Yes there's a difference in expectations with Brazil but I just personally felt they lacked some characteristics from their players that to me made then a quarter final team that could compete for a semi final

    So it's also more to praise Tete as I do feel this Brazillian team was overrated
     
  19. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    In each tourney they came up short against the first good European team faced.
     
  20. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    I'm not sure of that at all. You can't do the thing they do that makes them elite outside of a club context. You can't get specific enough players and can't be specific enough tactically.

    And the other thing about international management is that while clubs are all in some sense the same, just on a spectrum of talent and money and opponent quality and expectations, various national jobs are really quite fundamentally different.

    Gareth Southgate and England is the paradigmatic example. All that program needed was someone to chill everybody the f*** out. His inexplicable ability to get the players and media and WAGs and clubs to just be 10% less ridiculous and self-sabotaging allowed him to tap into their elite talent with super rudimentary tactics in a way an all-timer genius like Fabio Capello could not.

    The US would benefit from Fabio Capello, IMO. It needs someone who's going to add a little extra something both in tactical substance and in vibes.
     
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  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Though here’s a take for you

     
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  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both have said so outright that they want to. Pep in particular has said that his next job will be an international job and Klopp has said he wants to coach Germany at some point.

    They both have two of the most intense jobs in club soccer. I think both will pursue international management for a period to break a break from that intensity. The same way someone like Conte did with Italy.
     
  23. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I counter with this as this is what led to the goal



    I do like Tac and think he's very knowledgeable. I just didn't see Brazil as the team to beat this world cup like so many did. They just seemed to be missing something to me.
     
  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Southgate has done a bit more than to be a Berhalter-style vibes coach.
     
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  25. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #775 xbhaskarx, Dec 9, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2022
    Brazil's idea of "sit back"
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    beaten, with the exact same tweet lol

    Edit: Since this comment provides nothing new, I'll add this:


    Brazil fan and tactical manager woulda prevented us from getting one of the top five WC goals
     

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