World Cup 2022 - Portugal vs Morocco (QF)

Discussion in 'Portugal: National Teams' started by Sumol, Dec 6, 2022.

  1. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    This is my first option, but I said I wouldn't mind if he started vs Morocco.
     
  2. eurodad

    eurodad Member+

    Mar 15, 2005
    Brampton
    After how well we played, why would we want to make changes to the lineup ? That makes no sense . I would put out the exact same team.
     
  3. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Yup. I see no changes but I’d rather see JP back to solidify the mf.
     
  4. Joao Bibliotecario

    Jun 24, 2014
    Brooklyn, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Ronaldo should not start. He looked frankly awful at times in the group stage esp being offside so frequently. There's no extra time in the group stage so he started and came off.

    Knockout rounds there is the potential for extra time and penalties so he must be saved for that. Is it a greater compliment to start but know you'll be subbed before 90 minutes or to not start and know you'll be subbed and possibly on the field at the critical moments? Not starting him is legit the smartest tactical move. I had no idea how much he had declined until seeing these games, even when he crossover dribbles the defenders simply wait for him to pass. And the crosses to him started right back up again when he came on, and his chances looked like when an adult hands a kid the ball and lets them score at the family cookout, except he didn't score and couldn't remain onside.

    Any idea he is a locker room cancer though, I haven't seen that. I'm trying to think of a longtime star who got relegated to sub status and flourished, seems like there's people who did that.
     
  5. coelho

    coelho Member

    May 12, 2016
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    It's not that I think we need to change the lineup at all I just know that Morroco will park the bus fully and we won't have that space. In that scenario Ronaldo can still jump so high and score a header. I don't think the game will open up until/if we score. At that point you then bring in Ramos for Ronaldo when the game opens up. I wouldn't start Ronaldo in the semis or finals. I just find when you face a team like Morroco that isn't even going to try and attack in the first half and will sit back all the players near there box, that Ramos might not be as effective without the space. That is the only reason I would consider Ronaldo starting. But you can also start Ramos and if its tied in the 2nd half and we haven't been able to break them down then you bring in Ronaldo and Leao to change things up.

    Id probably put in cancelo for dalot or raphael, we only have two days rest after the qtr finals if we progress, we will have some tired legs in the semi final. You aren't downgrading by bringing in cancelo so I would consider it as we then have a fresh fullback vs France or England. I'd also consider Neves for William, then you have a fresh William in the semis.
     
  6. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    lol Loyalty for your country should always supersede loyalty to a single person. And if that price is Portugal going out just so Ronaldo can start then...no thanks.
     
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  7. money11

    money11 Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    after the performance our boys had vs the swiss how can you possibly change the lineup? imagine scoring a hat trick and the very next game sit on the bench.
     
  8. Joao Bibliotecario

    Jun 24, 2014
    Brooklyn, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I get your point but I disagree Ronaldo's inside the box game is as high as you think. He can jump, but he jumps on balls he's not good for and messes up the overall attack. He's aggressive to score, but fails to see open teammates. He's physical, but will lie on the field waving his arms for a foul as the other team counters.

    Frankly one value he has is being benched so long that the other team keeps wondering when he's coming on and consequently lacking attention to the players on the field they're facing.
     
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  9. nelly29

    nelly29 Member

    Sporting CP
    Portugal
    Jun 20, 2017
    I just hope we come out and press … not let Morocco dictate the flow of the game if they sit back and we are just happy to have 70% of the possession and not create any chances…

    I know there is so much on the line in a 1 game elimination but play not afraid to lose!
     
  10. fdasilva

    fdasilva Member+

    May 21, 2014
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Oh the irony: Ronaldo deserves to start no matter what, even if we lose.

    And yet not starting him has the team playing better, and in turn getting him and the country closer to a potential world cup win.

    If we actually won, in 100 years time nobody is gonna remember anything except cr7 won the world cup and capped off a legendary career with the biggest trophy.
     
  11. Anti Santos

    Anti Santos Member

    Sporting
    Portugal
    Jun 29, 2021
    Unpopular opinion but I would change Dias by Antonio Silva, thought Dias was our worse player and he clearly was lucky for not receiving a yellow card.

    I am a bit disappointed also with Diogo Costa, he is far from the level he showed on the Champions League, but if anything happens it's that Santos will replace Guerreiro by Cancelo.
     
  12. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Apart from the Ghana incident, I think DC has been excellent. The 'slip' people are talking about the last game was actually an amazing save. The cross was from inside the box, was a bullet and it was going straight to an unmarked striker. He reacted fast and got to the ball close to the end of the 6-yard box. He saved a clean goal.

    Dias hasn't convinced me either, and we are a mess defending corners. I wouldn't mind Silva getting a call, but I'd rest Pepe for this game. Yes, I know, we need to beat the team in front of us. But we'll need Pepe at 100% if we are to have a chance of winning and this will be a game with a lot of running for our CBs. If Silva beasts, we can then start him and Pepe.
     
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  13. AlexJones19

    AlexJones19 Member

    Aug 2, 2015
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Starting Ronaldo would completely play into Morocco’s hands. He will be stood still with his back to goal and they can defend our swinging balls into the box like we usually do

    Play the same line up with maybe one or two adjustments and take the game to them. Get the runners out wide and in behind to stretch them and open them up. Spain made the mistake of just passing it round endlessly and not making those runs and it suited Morocco massively
     
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  14. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    This is the point about narcissism, if you said to Ronaldo ok, you are only going to Play another 40 mins coming off the bench but Portugal Will win the WC, if you start Portugal Will lose, Ronaldo (I hope) would say ok I Will be a sub, however things do not work that way, if he had to power he would start every game and our WC chances would plummet, i.e. it is self-defeating.
     
  15. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Everyone was blaming Danilo when actually Dias has been far from his Best, still very good but a large step Down from last season. However I would keep him.
     
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  16. Ninho29

    Ninho29 Member

    Mar 12, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Listen, I'm probably the biggest Cristiano Ronaldo fan in the world. Having said that, I don't believe he should start against Morocco when Ramos scored a hat-trick. It would send the wrong message and I think Ronaldo knows he's got to accept this for now. Just because you START on the bench, doesn't mean you can't contribute! We need all players and everyone plays an important role in a TEAM.

    This is another knockout game and as someone else said previously, I would rather have Cristiano ON THE FIELD in the second half JUST IN CASE this goes to penalties (Let's all pray it does not). He can then finish off the game instead of being subbed off and not take part at the end...

    If Ramos isn't playing well, you give Cristiano his chance to get back in early in the second half... His motivation to prove the haters wrong once again fuels the fire in his belly and I'm sure we will end up seeing something special from him again.

    What I really want to see for next game would be Cancelo in place of Guerreiro on the left hand side. He will be extremely useful with his runs and crosses against them. Maybe get Palhinha/Neves instead of William as well.

    And to finish it off, winning a World Cup would be talked about forever and no one really remembers exact line ups. It doesn't matter. JUST WIN and you will forever be remembered as a WORLD CHAMPION.

    VAMOS PORTUGAL!!!
     
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  17. Voinz25

    Voinz25 Member

    May 6, 2015
    If Santos starts CR7 I am going to lose my sh1t. It it were to happen, it’s to keep CR7 happy and risk not mucking up squad morale over his ego. I hope he comes on as a sub
     
  18. Sumol

    Sumol Member+

    Portugal
    Oct 12, 2011
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    #43 Sumol, Dec 8, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2022
    The match between Morocco and Portugal will be officiated by Argentinian referee Facundo Tello. He also officiated our match against South Korea.

    Let's hope that he doesn't have a Messi bias (doubt it)

    [​IMG]
     
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  19. Dr. Silva

    Dr. Silva Red Card

    Sporting
    Portugal
    Mar 11, 2022
    Boston, MA
    I’m the first one to always be skeptical of refs against Portugal especially enemy teams. But I will admit that game was officiated decently fair.. You’ll never hear me say that given the history of how many times Portugal got ********ed in world cups by the ref. 2006 Henry diving(fake penalty), 2010 David Villa massively offside goal, 2014 Pepe red for breathing on Muller too close, 2018 Uruguay getting away with murder being dirty as hell and the huge tackle at the end just outside the box. I raged that day, I remember Andre Silva, Ronny and Quaresma ripping that ref apart after it was glorious. Looked like he shit himself. Matter of fact I think he’s in this World Cup Caesar Ramos or something. Portugal always gets screwed by Latino refs look it up. 06, 10, 14, 18 World Cup both were Latino refs deciding our fate and shafting us.
     
  20. Dr. Silva

    Dr. Silva Red Card

    Sporting
    Portugal
    Mar 11, 2022
    Boston, MA
    I’m all for respecting our opponents but Morocco has been talking some serious shit about all of us. Check any social media post or Internet forum, every Facebook post about our upcoming game is flooded with bandwagon Morocco Muslims etc just absolutely being the biggest cocky pieces of shit ever. On top of that every media outlet and other nations are convinced that Morocco is gonna “destroy” us.. We’ll see on Saturday guys. We gotta come out aggressive as ******** and ravage them just like Switzerland. Absolutely demolish them no mercy at all. Run it up on them come out fast strong attack, score first and then keep it going.
     
  21. Dr. Silva

    Dr. Silva Red Card

    Sporting
    Portugal
    Mar 11, 2022
    Boston, MA
    Leave those ********ers shaking and crying. One thing I hate is cocky teams. Morocco is letting that lucky win against Spain get to their heads way too much. Cocky as hell
     
  22. Ramos77

    Ramos77 Member

    Benfica
    Portugal
    Jun 24, 2017
    We have to score first.

    They will be nervous and anxious at the start so he have to pounce.
     
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  23. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    The dogs bark, the caravan rolls on.

    But we'll need patience, not berserking into a wall.
     
  24. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Ronaldo has already stated he would gladly take a world cup win without scoring any goals over anything else. So your opinion is baseless.
     
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  25. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    They haven't conceded besides an own goal to Canada. An early goal might rattle them but in 2018 it didn't have that effect and they were relentless until the final whistle. This is going to come down to Santos' learning from 2018 and how to manage the game especially having a game plan for either team scoring early on.
     

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