News: Fire Berhalter

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  1. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what happened in this WC for the US. You're just not willing to admit it.

    I think that's the disconnect in this conversation. You've deluded yourself into thinking there's some conspiracy to play inferior players couched by an inferior coach. When the reality is that our best players aren't world-beaters, and this is the level of coach you can expect for a program of our caliber.
     
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  2. If the USA wants to rise to the level of the usual ones in the last 8, they have to look at what makes these usual suspects get there and what of it is missing in the USA environment.
    The point alot of people/USA fans are missing it's bloody hard to get into the last eight. It's not for nothing there are a few chosen ones with an occasional party crasher. If it was easy, the variation in countries appearing in the last eight would be significantly more diverse. It isnot.
    Simply replacing a coach with someone tactically more astute solves nothing.
     
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  3. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    This culture they are trying to create being the right one for the USMNT is an unproven theory.

    You don't understand politics. It sure appears that a lot has been traded for votes and jobs. It is very rare that the person actually doing a job is actually in control. The former players being in control seems pretty naive. I think you might have been had.
     
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  4. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not going to go over the many bad decisions that GB did in the NL finals. But I'll give you just a couple. He decided to play an MLS player instead of Aaronson.
    He didn't play Musha, saying he was still hurt, yet he played him 90 minutes 3 days later.
    Putting Dest on the left instead of Jedi was another.
     
  5. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree the players played to their level. Is the coach that can make them play one level better. GB didn't.

    I'll give you another example. Moroco is playing above their level because of their coaches' game plan
     
  6. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Berhalter is not the best coach we could have had and better coaches expressed interest. Isnt clear Zimmerman is better than CCV. Wroght, Acosta, Morris, Moore and Ferriera are not one of the best 15 field players. The best 26 players were not taken to Qatar.
     
  7. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s fair feedback.

    It is clear that MLS does not prepare most players for top level play. We’ve had some standouts that played their careers in MLS, but they were more outlier than the norm. I just think we still need to support and avoid denigrating the league. It’s OUR league and that means something.

    You won’t find any argument from me about the difference between the big leagues in Europe and MLS. But here is the thing, MLS players are simply human beings who read social media. I just feel strongly there is a way we can foster and encourage MLS players while prioritizing those players who are succeeding in Europe.

    It’s not a binary “one or the other” choice. From a practical standpoint, the approach to developing our National team needs to include both.
     
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  8. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    The final 8 talk is a distraction being created by folks trying deflect criticism from our coach.

    We have a long way to go to be a top 8 team. The criticism is we aren't doing everything we can to achieve that. Getting the best coach we can and playing our best players doesn't change anything, but it gives us the best chance to make progress.
     
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  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a big difference between Foden and Busio.
     
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  10. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Honestly, the only thing still unhealthy about the intersection of MLS, Europe, and the USMNT seems to be the zombie internet war about it.

    It's a question absolutely at the core of the identity of longtime soccer posters, but one of decreasing relevance in the real world.
     
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  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you think Don Garber is that invested in Berhalter? For what reason? If he really had as much control as you think and could force the hire of the MLS coach he wanted there's no reason for him to care about Berhalter specifically.
     
  12. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    #2387 deejay, Dec 6, 2022
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    LOL, let's look at the details of the facts on record.

    All facts point to ex-players having significantly more power.
     
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  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A lot of this is because of an act of Congress that required the federation to change its voting structure to give the players a larger share of the vote. It was specifically in response to what's happened at USA Gymnastics, but applied to USSF too.

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-...s-voting-structure-to-be-affected-by-new-bill

    I don't know they are in control because they control a third of the total USSF voting share. But they've definitely been the swing vote for the both election of Cordeiro and the re-election of Cone.
     
  14. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the problem for you is that you look at players like they're in a FIFA 2022 game, and each have a rating that's an objective analysis of their abilities. Well, the real world isn't like that. We don't see what's going on in practice, who might have a minor injury, who isn't playing to form, and so on. You ever-estimate your level of knowledge.

    You're like my mother-in-law: she's always certain, regardless of whether her opinion is right or not.
     
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  15. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    You have zero clue how I view the game. I am not sure you would even understand. Still going with coaches have more information and youu aren't in practice. This guy has been wrong on so many players (all MLS guys plus a couple of euro misses). What information he is using, he has ultimately had to get rid of them.

    You immature view doesn't include talent. Bringing up form when the choice is between Reyna and Ferreira.

    I'm not sure I should say what you remind me of... I get moderated much more than a silly MLS fan like you.
     
  16. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    This js a very big topic that I will just scratch the surface. This situation has been created and cultivated by the Federation and MLS. I dont see the rift doing anything but get worse unless they actively try to fix it.

    I generally feel bad for the guys that have been put out to fail. I definitely don't blame them or condone the idiots send nasty messages to them. I also think these guys have benefited greatly from getting act like international soccer players, which they shouldn't be. Now Acosta whining about being criticized just because they play in MLS is different story. No, Kellyn you are crap soccer player who was gifted a role for some unknown season.

    Now when it comes to the league, I can't get on board. They have shown over the years they don't know what they are doing or just have no interest in doing so. I domt think of it as my league. It doesn't prioritize anything I want and they have never catered to fans like me. I have much more respect for the work USL is doing. Work that MLS shoukd be doing given how they fought for control of the game in this country.
     
  17. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    They have the power of their votes.

    Even if they had the power you suggest, why is that a good thing. Mkst of them seem like morons who say and/or do anything for their jobs. Listening to some of these guys care more about MLS than the USMNT is disgusting.
     
  18. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    No clue what you point is.

    The post you quoted showed that Garber is the Vice Chair of the Technical Devopment Committee. Lets ignore the conflict of interest that always seems to exist and focus on how is this guy qualified to be on a committee for this topic for local youth club, let alone all of US soccer?
     
  19. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    I view it as being at its absolute height right now and that it will only get worse. I have never known more people who are outwardly angered toward MLS.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who should we be listening to when it comes to US Soccer? You don’t think MLS should be involved and you don’t think the former players should be involved. So who should?
     
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  22. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You realize Don Garber is in the US Soccer hall of fame, right?

    He's probably done more to advance soccer in the US than almost anyone you could name.
     
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  23. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everything in our society should be decided based on the opinions of inflamed guys on the internet. That approach is working out so well for our country.

    Even if you think this WC was a disaster for the US, I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion it was in any way MLS' fault. Berhalter was hired by US Soccer and he's an employee of that organization. MLS has no power over him, and the owners have no control over his player selection. The idea that owners are sitting around pulling the strings to get their players a call-up is a weird conspiracy theory.
     
  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me telling you sitting in a room somewhere is a cabal of MLS owners plotting what it’s going to take for Aaron Long to get more minutes with the national team.
     
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  25. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That certainly sounds like a realistic possibility on how super rich guys spend their time.

    Honestly, MLS owners probably don't know the names of more than a handful of their players, any more than they know the names of most of their other employees.
     
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