Next Coach

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    He plays pretty much the same. He even resigned from Leipzig because he didn't think he could coach the players there. Which I respect the self-awareness, but I think it begs the question here.

    Despite us running out of steam, I am not opposed to Jesse's style for 2026. There's lots to recommend it. I'm a little worried how many goals he ships, but keeping it conceptual, I am open to the idea.

    But I think once you make that hire, you are committed. I'm not saying it is bad; I'm saying you are on that road and it likely takes a firing to deviate.

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    That said, I don't think it happens under Earnie. I think it's too far from what he wants stylistically.
     
  2. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Yep. I see that as a far more likely path.
     
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  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean alot of things have to hit for this scenario to come into play. It’s also possible none of these things happen and we’re worse off 4 years from now.

    I’m not saying he’ll be Modric because very few of those guys exist. But he’s the guy in our pool with the most potential to be elite. Reyna and Pulisic are the guys who have the most potential to really raise the ceiling of this team.

    Croatia also had the benefit of a very good draw in the knockout rounds. They didn’t have to face any of the teams with elite talent until the semifinals. And I think the 2018 England team has much less talent than the current iteration.

    I do think that our current team probably had the fewest weak links of any team we’ve had so far. But the drop off after our starters was dramatic. Building some depth is where we can increase the overall level the most. What happens with Reyna over the next 4 years is basically the biggest inflection point as to the overall ceiling of this team.

    I think Jedi is the best left back we’ve ever had, but man does he take some heavy touches sometimes and crossing is not really his strength.

    At striker I’m hopeful we’ll be in an ok spot 4 years from now. We’ve got a lot of guys who are still fairly young (Sargent, Pepi, Dike, Wright, Vazquez, etc). There’s a decent chance 1-2 of them emerge and separate themselves over the next 4 years.

    As for center back we really need Miles Robinson to come back from his injury strong and Chris Richards to stay healthy and realize his potential. That can be a very good center back combo if that happens. But I feel like we have a lot of potential options in that position too. They aren’t all going to progress, but some will.

    My three goals for next cycle are 1) get better at set pieces, 2) be more clinical in transition, and 3) build up our overall depth.
     
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  4. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    2006 for Rossi. The famous Bruce's remark.
     
  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do think Marsch would be very good at the recruiting side of things. I also like that he was an assistant with Bradley with the national team. It gives him some experience and sense of international management and some World Cup experience (albeit as an assistant). I did like that Berhalter had been to the World Cup as a player as we can’t really replicate that in our coaching pool.

    I watched much less of Leipzig, but the center backs at Leeds aren’t very good. Maybe it was the same at Leipzig, but the quality of the centerbacks at Leeds can’t help in terms of giving up goals.
     
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  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Always an underrated piece. I'll be interested to see what they settle on the structure. The Pot A advantage could be big if the top team in the group next door doesn't slip to #2.

    I think this is a tough one.

    Sure Still, it really does feel like the weak links were a big reason we struggled.
    • The CBs were good but needed to be defended. That meant not just MMA, but Musah and McKennie attacked far less.
    • Jedi was great defensively but MIA on offense -- the attacking players with MMA back are Pulisic, Jedi, Sargent, Weah and Dest. Jedi was pretty bad offensively, and Sargent was essentially holding the ball up and the rest of the strikers sucked. There's lots of issues with the offense, but 40% of the players were not really effective close to goal.
    • In terms of passing and ball skills, we're stuck in the middle. Pulisic, Reyna, Weah as a receiver, Dest, Ream all can ping the ball. Sargent can at least be there, and he's forward so fine. Jedi, McKennie, Adams, Musah and CB2 were erratic in that sort of thing, and frankly no one is really quick or astute with the pass. This is where the Dutch are good -- everyone has a base level. One of those things where you kind of need to make a call.
    Doesn't explain set pieces or some of transition, though.
     
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  7. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Marsch would be great for culture and recruiting. His Leeds cred will carry weight in the locker room.

    I'm not sure our CBs are going to be that much better.
     
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  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There were some Chris Richards Leeds rumors last summer. I think that would have been a very good move for both sides.
     
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  9. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Screw it. New strategy. All USMNT players to Leeds. Jesse coaches both teams.
     
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  10. gogorath

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    May 12, 2019
    Denmark-Russia-England.

    But also: won on pens, pens, extra time.

    And they won on pens today.
     
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  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I certainly think we take that draw in a heartbeat.

    And don’t get me wrong, a team like Denmark definitely has talent. But they aren’t a Brazil, France, or even the Netherlands.

    If we make a run in 2026, it’s going to be a favorable draw where we maybe upset one of the more elite teams along the way. It’s not going to be a situation like this year where would have gone Netherlands, Argentina, Brazil, France. Very few teams in the world can survive that path.
     
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  12. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marsch did not resign, he was fired with compensation from RBL after less than 5 months. I don't believe that he ever said he could not coach the players there but there was talk of differences between his approach and some of the players. RBL brought in Tedesco who is a tactical nerd, he only lasted 9 months.

    Our perspectives on Jesse clearly differs. I view him as much more of an attitude and mentality manager who will prioritize those attributes in the players he selects. That does mean he will prioritize work-rate, aggression, and grit. I don't for example see his Leeds as the all fanatic pressing squad that Bielsa played.

    Jesse did inherit a Nagelsmann squad that finished 2nd the prior year so you have a point in that if USSF requires a Nagelsmann/Tedesco/Berhalter style tactical nerd then Marsch may not be the best fit.
     
  13. gogorath

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    May 12, 2019
    Jesse essentially quit -- though he was closed to being fired -- because the players were set up to play like Nagelsmann and he didn't or couldn't do that. Don't take my word for it -- take Jesse's:

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    I think attitude and mentality matters, but he wants to coach his way. Not man marking like Bielsa, isn't flexibility -- it's simply how he wants to coach. He's not super flexible, that's all. Maybe he can change. Maybe he doesn't need to. But he's not likely to adjust even as much as Berhalter did in this World Cup.

    I think to hire him, you have to be content with the general RB direction and the consequences of that. Or you have to be convinced if he says otherwise in the interview.

    I think he's got a ton of positives. I'm just saying, if you want tactical flexibility, this is not your guy. I don't know if that's the top need, though.
     
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  14. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Drag out the hiring process and see if Marsch survives the season. Hell, it took them a year and a half to hire Berhalter.
     
  15. Boysinblue

    Boysinblue Member

    Jul 31, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the US there were 9 holdovers from 2006 to 2010, and 8 holdovers from 2010 to 2014
     
  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #291 falvo, Dec 6, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2022
    Now that there are expanded rosters and 6 subs, there may be more.

    There aren’t any WCQ matches so all there is from now until 2026 are Concacaf Gold Cup , Olympic and friendlies.

    Depending on their form in 3 & 1/2 years, we could see a bunch of the same guys returning.

    USMNT roster prediction for the 2026 World Cup: Who makes it ...
     
  17. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would just add: and Nations League.
     
  18. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    When I started thinking about the 2026 roster, one of the first realizations (worries?) was about the wear and tear and aging of Tyler Adams. He is small for his position and succeeds through this amazing work rate (and intelligence and courage) going balls out for 90 min every match. Is that sustainable? More generally, was it both a good thing or a bad thing that our guys were running more than other teams?
     
  19. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    compare to kante
     
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  20. dams

    dams Member+

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    Dec 22, 2018
    Yeah, hopefully (presumably) by 2026, Tyler won’t have to carry so much of the load. We were very fortunate that he was available for the entire tournament this time, and even then he gassed out by the knockouts. It’s certainly not sustainable to build the success of your system around the fitness of one player.
     
  21. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since Copa is not CONCACAF the US would be a guest team. Therefore teams don't have to release players and probably wouldn't for our best players. MLS would be in season and they are starting to not always release players either. The goal is to combine with CONMEBOL either with a combined tournament or a complete unification. I wonder if they united whether they could do a college football style conference splitting qualifying? With a north and south division. Could also be that with extra slots now with 48 teams they are more willing to combine. I would love for there to be a once every four year combined tournament that has player releases built in but there's probably something to stop that too.
     
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  22. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #297 falvo, Dec 6, 2022
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    Combining confederations CONCACAF with CONMEBOL and eliminating the Gold Cup would be exciting and good for competition.

    At that point though, playing Brazil, Argentina , Uruguay, Chile and Colombia would be tough for the US , Canada and Mexico to beat.

    I doubt either federation would want to do that especially for WC qualifying.

    As I posted in the youth teams thread, I don't think European clubs care that much about losing their American based players for a one off tournament.

    There was never a problem and no one ever really or had issues from clubs releasing players in the other previous four CA tournaments , Ecuador 1993 ,Uruguay 1995, Venezuela 2007 or United States in 2016.

    I seriously doubt it would be a huge issue going forward for a future and/or given Copa America.
     
  23. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    He is equally indispensable for his club (whose fans are already worrying about losing him). I’d like to see Scally converted to DM. He has, as we say now, that dog in him. And he has good size, and decent speed. Not gonna happen because of the success he has found at FB, but interesting to speculate about.
     
  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    He wasn't wrong, though.

    As far as the "next coach," we'll probably have an interim situation like we did with Sarachan in 2018. McBride/Stewart will want to do a thorough hiring job, as this may be the most important decision the federation has made in a long time.

    Heck, I can see them waiting to hire somebody until the end of the 2022-2023 club season. Could have an interim guy, like say Caleb Porter, for 6 months.

    And if they don't find the guy they want, they might hire somebody else thru the summer of 2024. Then they can hire the desired coach, and give him two years to prepare for the WC.
     
  25. xyz1000

    xyz1000 Member

    Jan 8, 2003
    Arsene Wenger
     

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