Match 54: Brazil (G1) vs. South Korea (H2)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2022 - Knockout Stage' started by Paul Calixte, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    I don't like the South American mentality then I guess.

    I share much more values of European (especially Balkan) and Asian people I feel.
     
  2. Xylophone

    Xylophone Member

    Fiorentina
    Jan 30, 2018
    Either of them would have given Brazil more of a fight. I mentioned Uruguay specifically because they only conceded one open goal in the tournament. Brazil would still have won in the end, but you would get the feeling that Uruguay, with luck on their side, could make the last 45 minutes more interesting for a neutral. Ghana would've been fun too, if they performed like they did in the first two group stage games.
     
  3. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Each game has its own dynamics and some teams match up better against say Brazil than S. Korea does. That doesn't mean they are better than S. Korea in other games against other opponents where different dynamics apply.

    While Brazil's first half demolition of S. Korea in part reflected the tendency of S. Korean sides to struggle against teams with very good dribblers and technical players, a lot of it was also coincidental. A soft penalty demoralized the Korean team and took the game outside their reach inside the first 10 minutes; the Brazilians were uncharacteristically ruthless in the 1st half (and disinterested and wasteful in the 2nd); while S. Korea created more chances against Brazil than all 3 of Brazil's group stage opponents combined.
     
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  4. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    They did lose Lo Celso pre-tournament and now didn't have Di Maria in the last game.
     
  5. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    What it does say about Korea's defense is not that its full-backs are trash. It means that unlike what Serbia and Switzerland did, Korea went against Brazil all-out; it attempted to play Brazil head on rather than establishing a steady defensive line on the back. This was one of the major reasons Brazil took a while to score in its first two matches; the Serbians and the Swiss did not opt for a gameplan which produced the spaces afforded to Brazil by Korea.

    This is no knock on Korea; Korea defeated Portugal (Brazil has NEVER defeated Portugal in World Cup play). Basically, Korea adopted the wrong approach against Brazil.
     
  6. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I'll actually admit I think this score is a reasonable prediction, although of course it can go the other way.

    As much as I "rivalize" with Argentina and never want them to succeed, you did almost come across a bit dismissive of them. Anything can happen during 90 minutes. On Friday, we will all know.
     
  7. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    You realize that South America is a large continent with much diversity, right? Or do you think there are no differences in "mentality" and thus culture, between Germany and Slovakia or Spain and Sweden or Portugal and Austria? Asia? Do you mean the Japanese and the Burmese have the same "mentality?" Or the Mongolians and the Taiwanese?

    Not to be hostile or sarcastic, but these sweeping generalizations about entire continents' worth of peoples, cultures, and nations from people from other continents is more than a bit annoying. There are marked differences in history and cultural development between western and eastern Europe due to factors that far precede this sport. Do not presume that South Americans are all the same because they are not, in the same way not all Europeans are the same and not all Asians are the same.
     
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  8. HomietheClown

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    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    It is just a silly game in which you kick a ball around and hope it goes into a net. People take it and themselves too seriously.

    Dancing is a part of South American cultures for many types of occasions and celebrations.

    If people get uptight when a team expresses their joy on the biggest stage in the world during a game then screw them.

    If opposing players and coaches and fans get offended because their team is losing then their team should have stopped them from scoring.
     
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  9. HomietheClown

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    Sep 4, 2010
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    And if a random Irishman says he does not like it, he is entitled to his opinion but I have the right to say I don't care and Brazil probably does not care what he thinks.
     
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  10. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    A lot of Brazilians are talking like they won the world cup already, and they gotta be real careful with that because I've seen this come back and bite teams in the ass
     
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  11. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Not the least because that Irishman's own career includes some stuff far more deleterious and detrimental to sportsmanship than a dance

    Some people look at others and are quick to condemn but think theirs are lives bereft of anything deserving criticism.
     
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  12. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Far from it. Then again, you're entitled to your opinion, because oftentimes, perception > reality.
     
  13. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    As long as France, England, Spain and the Netherlands are in the tournament nothing is certain for Brazil.

    I can confidently say that France's attack would outshine Brazil's attack in a match up.
    Brazil's attack is pretty much overrated.

    Brazil's strength is the way how they defend as a team. Otherwise I see nothing champions worthy in that side.
     
  14. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    England won't beat, Brazil come on man.
     
  15. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Lol Louis van Gaal doesn’t have good words to say about Brazil and Argentina. I hope this doesn’t bite us back.
     
  16. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Where ?
     
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  17. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    soon they will be dethroned!
     
  18. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #143 Doogs, Dec 6, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2022
    i get it

    if it makes any difference, south americans do this to each other too. The chileans to the colombians, or amongst their own people too (Uruguayans and Uruguayans etc.) So its not particularly exclusive to any set group of people or targeted to anyone in particular
     
  19. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    It is not arrogance, silly; It is the way we express ourself. Disrespectful, IMO, were if we kept going full steam and score 8/9 goals...

    I don't have problem with Germany scoring 7 on us. It was Brazil playing in Brazil. But I see no reason for Spain to score 7 on mighty Costa Rica; But this is how Spain plays so I get they don't share my views.

    Brazilian arrogance is thinking we could field more than one competitive team - we don't have as many world class player as we like to think (but again every fan think their country have great players). We have a good team that might take us to the final (to be seen) but we are one of a hand full of in form teams; and we definitely do not have enough world class players to form more than one WC contender team.
     
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  20. Brilliant Dutch

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    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I see over-confidence in the players, forum comments, youtube comments, tiktok comments, twitter comments......etc.....etc.

    Not everyone of course, but a fair amount
     
  21. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    #146 Hexa, Dec 6, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2022
    Is Netherlands a UEFA 1st tier team? Just asking... If ARG beat them will you change your mind?

    Don't worry, if Brazil is as good as we rate them they will eventually play against UEFA 1st tier team.
     
  22. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    Of course the Netherlands under Van Gaal are a 1st tier side in UEFA.
     
  23. Copadobrazil014

    Jul 8, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Kumbaya my Lord
    Kumbaya

    It's getting hot in here
    Ima take off all my clothes
    (I am getting so hot ima take my clothes off)
     
  24. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I don't think you saw it in the players. They are confident but you need some confidence to win. A lot of it is playful banter rather than over confidence and underestimating rivals.

    As for fans, you're always going to find a mix of over confident, realistic, pessimistic fans. It's just that you're looking for them. I mean FFS ... you're checking out twitter and YT comments.

    Our forum here has been pretty realistic. If you want some overconfidence and underestimating opponents you should check the Argie forum. Not everyone ... but definitely some posters.
     
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  25. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    What do you mean by 'of course'; Netherland under Van Gall failed to even qualify for the 2002 WC and only won a penalty shoutout against Costa Rica to reach the semi where they lost to ARG in 2014 (they did beat a shell shocked Brazil to win Bronze). o_O

    Not sure how you judge UEFA's tier system; doesn't seem to be based on EURO games results.
     

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