Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    CFs where where??? LOL

    and let's be honest anything below top 4 isn't 100% convincing.

    Countries like Spain and England=there is nothing but Balogun until he gets poached, LOL
    Countries like Portugal and Netherlands=almost everyone is below top 4
    Countries like Italy and France, only ones with performing although France its all Ligue 1, LOL

    yeah I 100% don't see us as worst off like not one bit. Actually our ONLY issue is that our 00-01 CFs all go injured left and right, that's it. Imagine we have 4 00-01 in 1BL and 4/4 had injury issues this season or returning from long term injury. Prior to that 3/4 were doing pretty well in 1BL last season and 1/4 got promoted in Summer with his 2BL club.If Malone keeps it up in Austria could end up in 1BL too and make that # to 5.

    there aren't many relevant 00-01 CFs left in RL. Like almost all our 00-01 of relevance are now in pro level so 1BL-2BL-1st Abroad-3rd Liga. Like we already have like 30+ 00-01 CFs in pro level too.

    but only Germany gets shat on. Where the emerging CFs around Europe anyways. If they are emerging its not in top countries but smaller ones where 1st division is low level and easy to breakthrough.
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    remaining 00-01s in RL so far. Rest below 4 goals.

    -Schepp (1st ever RL season too)=12 goals
    -Ganaus,Woudstra =6 goals
    -Brinkmann, Hottmann, Mika=5 goals
    -Niemiec=4 goals

    troll poster would be happy.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
    -Schepp=1.92m tall
    -Ganous, Woudstra=1.93m tall
    -Brinkmann=1.9m tall
    -Hottmann, Niemac=1.88m tall
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -France=Giroud+Benzema won't play another WC
    -Pengland=totally dependent on Kane
    -Spain=outside of meh Morata who does score there is nothing else.

    who are emerging Spanish CFs???
    its clear there is nothing of note so far when it comes to 00-03. Clownish German clubs brought in 3 Spainish 04-05 CFs and now Ferri is last man standing, LMAO

    a lot of fuss about 04 CF Barbera due to YL but instead of fixating on that. Its better to wait and see how he does vs adults at higher level 1st. He also Played 20 min last month vs Germany U19 and was taken out for whole 20 min as our team dominated the Spaniards, LMAO.

    and also to one of the 3 that were in Germany 05 CF Bravo now back in Spain. Bravo also played that vs Germany U19 as XI and was also taken out of the match, LMAO.
     
  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #18829 Ger90, Dec 5, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2022
    -looks like Miittelstadt is leaving Hertha in Winter and Plattenhardt in Summer. And that 3rd useless LB is also leaving will this make 04 LB Ullrich stay or not???

    -Burkardt update
    Jonathan Burkardt did not travel to Mallorca either, but is undergoing this Monday with Prof. Dr. Hinterwimmer in Munich undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his knee. This should help to speed up the return to the field and into the circle of the team. Burkardt suffered a sprained joint in his left knee in the last league game of the year against Eintracht Frankfurt. He is expected to return to team training in early January.

    -on Alidou
    “His biggest issue is efficiency. He has an incredible number of actions, but then often gets away from the goal again. This determination, straight into the penalty area, less across, but more in the direction of the opponent's goal, that's an issue," Glasner revealed the offensive player's greatest shortcoming. It is now important to work with him in training and also in video training. In general, the German U21 national player is "very committed and on the right track".

    According to kicker, Alidou is quite capable of a breakthrough in the Bundesliga in the long term.

    -03 CB Boboy, 00 CB Schell, 00 LB J.Muller and 01 AM Kyerewaa training with Schalke 1st team.
     
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Labaddia is confirmed Stuttgart coach. I'll be curious to see what he does with youth.
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I've been curious about future of 02 CF Otuali of HSV II finally an update. He's too good for RL, looks like 2BL interest. HSV is a weird club for youth, integration isn't always concrete, they tend to be a wasteful club and lose all the time players too. 02 CF Otuali, 01 CF Beleme (poached), 02 W Velasco etc are all wasting their time. As mentioned if a club goes for U19 over you than your aren't rated by your own club. Irony here is that Otuali might jump to a rival 2BL club, LOL. Otuali likely 2BL-3rd Liga next.


    contract expires
    HSV talent Otuali in the focus of several second division teams - still without professional use
    Hamburger SV's U21s have scored 48 goals in 20 games in the Regionalliga Nord so far this season. Since the number of games played in the four highest divisions per league was not exactly the same, a comparison is not necessarily useful. But it is clear that this is an impressive performance: Only Bayern Munich (49), Preußen Münster (50), Bayern-Reserve (52), SpVgg Unterhaching (52) and Würzburger Kickers (71) have more goals. With nine goals scored and three assists, storm talent Moses Otuali played a large part in the strong HSV offensive - and thus played himself into the focus of higher-class clubs.

    According to Transfermarkt information, the 20-year-old has been watched by several clubs for weeks, at least five from the 2nd division and even one from the Bundesliga. Initial contacts have been made, but official negotiations can only take place after the turn of the year. Otuali's contract with HSV expires at the end of the season, he could then leave the club for free.

    It is not yet clear whether the native Nigerian, who came to the “Rothosen” in his youth through KSV Holstein, Eimsbütteler TV, Erzgebirge Aue and VfL Wolfsburg, among others, would like to leave the club. Basically, Otuali feels comfortable at HSV. So far, however, there have been no advances from the club to extend the contract or to show the attacker a perspective in the professional team. The striker has been waiting for his debut in the lower house, as has his offensive partner Daouda Beleme (21), who has already scored eleven goals.

    HSV contract expires: Moses Otuali in Tim Walter's system without a perspective?
    As an alternative to top scorer Robert Glatzel (28), HSV head coach Tim Walter recently promoted U19 national player Tom Sanne (18) from the A youth Bundesliga to the pros. The home-grown player scored promptly on his debut against 1. FC Magdeburg (2:3). Otherwise, summer signing Ransford-Yeboah Königsdörffer (21) already played in the storm center.

    Beleme has an unbelievable speed, so he can sometimes just run through the defense and no one can follow him. For me, Otuali is a bit better because he has almost the same profile but is technically stronger on the ball. Beleme is still a bit unclean there. ...

    Otuali's strengths lie above all in speed - so he can play this best when the opponent is higher. Against Walters HSV, who usually constrict the opponents in their half, that hardly ever happens in the 2nd Bundesliga. It is possible that the offensive talent will make the leap to the professionals in 2023 at a club that he can help better. Should the interest of the Bundesliga club become more concrete, a loan would probably be the most sensible step. According to TM information, playing time is the most important argument for Otuali when choosing his next contract.
    https://www.transfermarkt.de/hsv-ta...ndash-noch-ohne-profieinsatz/view/news/414633
     
  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The Paul Wanner case is a good example of what is going wrong in the youth division of the DFB. FC Bayern advised the association and Antonio di Salvo in the summer to invite the top talent to the U21s. No reaction. Ralf Rangnick took the chance.


    from article
    As SPORT1 knows, the left foot does not want to make a decision in the near future anyway. But Flick should be anything but pleased with the current trend.


    from BayernTalente twitter
    In Germany, people have always preferred to use the scarce funding capacities to promote a lot of average people instead of presenting the few top talents with challenges and offering them the best possible promotion.

    Instead, Bischof, Wanner and Co. have to play insignificant U18 experimental friendlies against (with all due respect) UAE and Israel on some fields for a whole season.

    In other countries, the best 05ers were promoted to the U19 tournament year. Pafundi (born 2006) makes his debut in the Italian N11. If the DFB wants top talent, it should start promoting the top. And especially when a great talent stands between two countries.



    so much BS from this
    -I hate DFB but that's NOT a good example of anything
    -do people forget that we upped Tillman based on nothing and he STILL BAILED
    -Should Germany up all the 05s to play this U21, LOL.
    -there is a reason why so many countries like Turkey fail to qualify for U21s for example. They call up players who don't play regularly or who don't even make squads.....is this what people want to turn Germany into???
    -So crybaby Wanner if he gets called up to U21 would he make a fuss if he's on bench. An early U21 call does NOT mean would be XI. What's better play XI in his age group or bench for U21???
    -its also dumb to call some players average who serve a specific function. Not everyone in U21 will make Senior NT but some serve their purpose.
    -why make a fuss about Israel tourney (I think its BS for other reason) but dfb has a yearly Israel tour with U18 in November-December its NOTHING new.
    -So making fuss because a tiny few 05s playing with U19. Topic here is U21 not U19. And U19 have promising/interesting M/W should they get axe for 05s????
    -if Italy call up a 06 who doesn't even play pro it has 0 to do with us.

    -promoting the top makes 0 sense if they aren't even regulars in pro teams. Call up Bischof-Wanner-Weiper etc who don't always make matchday squad. In fact only due so when mass injuries. That's BS.
    -A Wirtz and Moukoko jumped to 1BL regularly young and that's why they got upped to U21. If you want same than players need to be regulars not semi or on outside.


    THIS is why I always agreed with NOT upping players until they fully brokethrough. Because then all will start bitching why him and not me etc. That none see that is clownish.

    the problem is NOT DFB its Wanner that most don't want to accept that is a joke. DFB is type, playing for Germany is HONOR, you should proud to play for Germany and fight for jersey. I don't see any of that here. I'm bailing if I don't get upped based on nothing I've done so far. 0 XIs, nothing but cameos, not always with 1st team, in fact he's playing with 3 different teams in U19, II, 1st team, he's all over place.

    its clear that Wanner doesn't give a shit about playing for Germany. 0 patience, wants to force upping or bails etc. How is that a good mentality for player anwyays? people always talk about mentality being important. Where is that component here.

    the days were players works his way are done, its force his way due to duality now.

    its also not NT that devs players but clubs. I highly doubt playing U18 now and U21 later makes that big of a diff. It won't boost career, its what he does in training at Bayern that does that.
     
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  8. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If Wanner wasn’t a dual he wouldn’t be called up. I don’t want a situation where duals can force themselves into being upped ahead of non duals. Why should anyone get special treatment?

    If he really decides to represent Austria that’s his loss more than ours. But I think he knows that.
     
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  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    duals should not be allowed to hold any country hostage. You should be like everyone else work your way and MOST IMPORTANTLY WANT TO PLAY FOR GERMANY. Not bailing at 1st opportunity if you don't get what you want.

    its also why he's not switched yet or that he doesn't want to make a decison now. Austria+Rangnick are A-Holes 100%. Rangnick is a fricking traitor the fact that he said even if he wasn't coaching Austria he would tell Wanner to choose Austria. What a digusting POS.

    this whole thing is stupid because I guarantee that Wanner would get call up next U21 cycle in August why so much impatience and wanting this U21 cycle? What's point, he's not gonna fully breakthrough Bayern this season that's obvious so next season would still be in U21 anyways, LOL.
     
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  10. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I legit miss days of past where duals were like
    "nah I'm playing for Germany that's where ALL my focus is if things go well gonna make Senior NT soon."

    now every fricking kid flirts with bailing. They go to camps, they accept call ups. You leave them out for a few months=I'm gone. Or Tillman, Matanovic, Gedikli etc all who bail in same year they were still with dfb.

    most admit they don't want to bother fighting for spot with Germany. With other countries Senior NT jump is faster.

    its nothing but opportunism and what benefits them.

    I think its the current generation issue. People always mock the current Generation of kids as the me me me me generation, LOL. Its clear that's its true.
     
  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -on Frauendorf


    -so Mainz announce that Weiper won't be in camp as he's busy with his abitur, LOL. You won't see this anywhere else in Europe.

    meanwhile 02 CB Laux continues to get 1st chances in non-official periods. I'm curious to see if him and 03 CB Boboy manage to breakthrough Mainz and Schalke or not. Could be even more 02-03 CBs in 1BL-2BL if they did. I think Boboy's chance for upping could happen even more if Schalke go down.

    -Pejcinovic continues to train with Wolfsburg 1st looks like he was in team of day. Let's hope he breakthrough 2nd half of season.
     
  12. Soccer93

    Soccer93 Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jun 14, 2021
    Losing Wanner would suck.

    I see a lot of potential in him.
     
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  13. Soccer93

    Soccer93 Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jun 14, 2021
    Are you surprised a German is trying to screw over his own country? Most Germans lack pride.
     
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  14. Collected

    Collected Member+

    Jul 19, 2014
    Let him go suffer play for Austria. We have Musiala and Wirtz as numbers 10's for the next 10-15 years.
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    issue with that is that you want depth in any position. And all 3 are not tied to AM can play W too. Its why I'm not into whole we have Wirtz-Musiala argument.

    already Wirtz missed WC to injury shows how easy it is to miss players. For any position you want MIN double the number so if you have 4 attacking positions. You want MIN 8 players for that but reality min isn't enough so double digits is better.

    its pathetic when you see Thiaw a German born but no German descent play for Germany because he feels German. Thiaw was not born German as neither parents were citizens. He also applied for German passport himself without dfb involvement. When you see him reject Senegal-Finland because he only wants Germany. Even rejected Finland 4 years prior to getting German passport.

    then you see Wanners who is German descent willing to maybe ditch just for not being upped. You see Rangnick not giving a shit about Germany. I call BS on Rangnick, anyone think he wanted Austria job? He wanted Germany job but dfb had him way down pecking order. Hes likely pissed. Same for Kuntz, got pissed because he was never a serious candidate for Senior NT and now bombing in Turkey. When he got Turkey job, said he wasn't going to poach only for him to poach and go after more. These guys are petty A-Holes. They would rob from their own countries, its why for me I hate any Germans who coach foreign NT. Addo at Ghana got fired, 1 down, 2 to go. At least Addo is German-Ghanaian so him poaching isn't as bad and he has ties to the country.

    you also see even immigrant players show more attachment to Germany than Germans. Its pathetic.

    Thiaw mentality is what you want to see in all duals. Germany is my 1st choice and I'm sticking to it.

    for me its dumb as ******** whole. Your a regular with Germany but that's not enough always want more or force more.

    look at Malik Tillman, he admitted that he's never been to USA prior to switching. That's pathetic shit right there. He has no real attachment to USA but though if he bails would get WC call, LMAO. Had 0 interest to see if good enough for Germany Senior NT he wanted right NOW. I wouldn't be surprised if Tillman is reason why di Salvo balked at calling up Wanner. Called up him early based on nothing and he still bailed aka wasted the coach's time. So just focused on full pros only.


    at end of day, I bet Wanner doesn't bail
    1-over and over its said he doesn't want to make final choice
    2-its been said that he knows with Germany you can qualify for every tourney and more likely to win trophies
    3-DFB is likely to be submissive and up him to U21 to not lose him.
    4-Finally you can tell he wants Germany. Why because he'd be happy with Germany U21 while Austria offering him Senior NT Now.

    whole thing is stupid, how hard to continue play for Germany and if not good enough you switch.
     
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  16. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Who loses out more? If a dual ditches for Turkey, USA, Austria etc then he can wave goodbye to any chance of winning medals at international level. I don’t understand the mindset, from a sporting and career perspective surely sticking with Germany makes the most sense?

    I'm also not keen on this mercenary type thinking, it should be a moment of great pride and the ultimate career goal for anyone German to be able to represent the NT, not some sort of a favour from them to agree not to switch to a different country.
     
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  17. Soccer93

    Soccer93 Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jun 14, 2021
    We should stop calling up duals unless they are undeniable talents such as Musiala.

    Most if our youth teams should be German.
     
  18. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    My problem with losing out duals, its principle. What does it say about Germany if ********ing Austria can poach from us. You can't allow it, could open the floodgates. Need to push foreign FAs away.


    that's not gonna work, majority of pool going forward are duals. Even guys with German surname. 05s are full of guys with German father, foreign mother. There is also a shit ton of German mother and foreign father. That's future of Germany, where majority of pool gonna be dual.

    unlike France/England where most duals have 0 French-English descent. Us a HUGE chunk of duals have 1 German parent.

    you also have to realize that there is U15, U16, U17, U18, U19, U20, U21. So you can't stop calling up duals its 100% impossible.
     
  19. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    05 CF Torsiello finally signs pro contract at 2BL Darmstadt. Was said that Bayern wanted to poach him and that Darmstadt offically said won't play with 1st team anymore as he's bailing. Glad to see he reconsidered


    SV 98 equips Torsiello with a professional contract
    First professional contract for Fabio Torsiello: The native of Darmstadt and current U18 national player signed a contract with Lilien until June 2026.

    Carsten Wehlmann: "The fact that Fabio Torsiello is staying with us and taking his first steps as a professional with the Lilien is the result of constructive discussions between all those involved. Contact was never completely broken, both sides continued to exchange ideas. The result is good for Fabio as well as the SV 98."

    Torsten Lieberknecht: "I've always said that I enjoy promoting young players like Fabio and supporting them on their way. That's why it's nice that he sees his future with the Lilies. Fabio finds everything at SV 98 what it takes for a young player to grow and mature, so I hope his development continues to be positive."

    Fabio Torsiello: "I'm very happy to have signed my first professional contract. The Lilies gave me the chance to get a taste of both the second division and the cup. I'm in them for the trust that is also reflected in the professional contract that has been offered very grateful. Now I want to take the opportunity and absorb everything from the pros, but of course also prove myself."

    The 17-year-old Torsiello scored four goals in seven matches in the current U19 Bundesliga season and prepared two more. The attacking player got his first minutes in the men's division this season with substitutions against FC Ingolstadt and Arminia Bielefeld. Torsiello also recently made his debut with the German juniors: in November he played in three international matches for the U18s.
     
  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -02 CB Dardai to Mainz???
    https://www.transfermarkt.de/mainz-...rbeck-und-pfeiffer-im-fokus-/view/news/414665

    -so Olschowsky #1 in Summer looks more likely. Although at some point likely towards end, they might bench Sommer to give playing time for one staying next season.
     
  21. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah we can’t ignore duals. I mean you look at the 05 gen for starters, some big talents there such as Wanner, Ibrahimovic, Buchmann, Azevedo, Di Benedetto, Aseko Nkili, Weiper, Pejcinovic likely Ulrich too who are all duals. These could all be the spine of a future NT.
     
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  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    more than that I recall it was mentioned in past that Seimen might be German-Romanian. Its clear that Seimen=German father too. I think it might have been he himself who listed himself like that on intsgaram in past. Popp of Hertha looks German-Greek, another one with German surname but likely Greek mother.
     
  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    hardest part for perm cap tied any player is gonna be GKs 100%. I'm glad that position is still like 90% full Germans.
     
  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    K.Schlotterbeck wants to leave Freiburg. Hope his position in squad is taken over by Schmidt+Rosenfelder from II
     
  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    HERTHA STRIKER FINALLY FIT
    The plan with Ngankam

    Fast, fit, dangerous and finally fit - striker Jessic Ngankam (22) feels like Hertha's first new signing in the relegation battle!

    The attacker has been working on the Schenckendorffplatz again for a few days, taking part in team training. Ngankam can do almost all exercises and clearly has fun doing it.

    He played 25 Bundesliga games, 19 of them for Hertha and six as a loan player for Fürth. Now he's attacking again in Berlin. That's why Hertha manager Bobic (51) says: "I hope he acts like a newcomer!" Means: carefree and courageous he should tear something in attack.

    The last few months have been very tough for Ngankam! He hasn't played a minute with the pros this season.

    He first injured his knee during the pre-season training camp and had to have an operation. Just as he was about to return, a severe tear in his thigh put him out of action.

    The time of suffering seems over.
    In the Wednesday test against Braunschweig (1 p.m., Hanns-Braun-Stadion) Ngankam will not play as a precaution. However, the Hertha plan provides that the German junior international striker will be fully operational again in the training camp in Florida (from January 3rd, 2023).

    And then really took off as a “newcomer” on January 21 in Bochum
    https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...t-nun-soll-er-durchstarten-82168690.bild.html
     

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