Next Coach

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Heck, I would take Pirlo before I take Cherundolo.

    I am sure Pirlo knows a bit about how this game is played.
     
  2. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    The reason that so few big sides use a 10 is because the game is too fast for them these days. They take up spaces where there are simply too many good athletes giving them too little time and space to impact the game sufficiently, and they make a team very predictable. There's a reason that playmaking has largely become the job of the half-space merchants on the outside, and that teams have gone to 3-back formations to allow the wingbacks to bomb up the flanks, taking up the space of the wingers who are pinching in to make plays semi-centrally, but not as centrally as a 10.
     
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  3. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Exactly how successful do you feel Pirlo was at Juve, and exactly what do you think he would impart to our player pool? What do you think he could do that Cherundolo couldn't?
     
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  4. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I hope if there is a change that the search is comprehensive and certainly not limited to Americans. It is not out of the question that a big brain might be interested.
     
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  5. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speak with an accent.
     
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  6. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Indeed. This guy is using the same logic that Gulati used when he hired Klinsmann, and it makes about the same amount of sense.
     
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  7. redondos

    redondos Member

    AC Milan
    United States
    Nov 16, 2022
    Hugo Perez is the most qualified American coach.

    He's who I would choose if I couldn't hire a non-american.
     
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  8. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Is he really? Seriously? The lowest levels of the US youth squad, and now getting a poor second-tier CONCACAF side to perform slightly better?

    And forget American for a second. Who do you want? What are you looking for?
     
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  9. dams

    dams Member+

    United States
    Dec 22, 2018
    Assuming that Gregg leaves, I'd guess that they are going to want to hire another American and somebody that has close ties with USSF. We shall see.
     
  10. Kirium

    Kirium Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK
    I don't disagree with that at all. But I do like the #10 for our current roster. Fully healthy I also think we'd be ok going with three backs. I would imagine the next coach might toy with 3 backs to see how it develops and looks.
     
  11. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    If we have 3 starter-worthy CBs then it's worth looking at, but that means you probably aren't looking at a playmaking 10, because you're having your wingers do the 10's work. That's what the 343 is all about. But you're deciding that it's better to have 3 CBs than it is to have 3 center mids. Given our player pool, that's kind of a bold speculation.
     
  12. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Yep.

    I'd also add I saw someone say that we should've played a 10 to offset the midfield man-marking that the Dutch did.

    But 6s man marking 10s is another big reason for the decline of 10s.

    They flourish in MLS because of the talent gap, I assume. But one of the reasons why Kevin DeBruyne is an 8 instead of a 10 is because it makes him harder to locate and shut down.
     
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  13. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Van Gaal is sounding better and better, even though he's a crotchety old man they players will probably hate. And he's definitely going to bench an offensive player for someone boring.

    But if we're very eager to move on from Berhalter ... can we actually try to do someone who is likely to be better than Berhalter?

    That means no one who has a significant part of their resume being a youth national team coach, people.
     
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  14. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Ironically, the Canadians under Herdman (the worst damn choice we could make, for the record) sure shut De Bruyne down for the majority of their match, but that was largely because the back line were much, much too conservative with their decision-making, lacking composure in the face of Canada's press even though there were huge gaps behind to exploit.

    Who was at the helm there? Roberto Martinez.
     
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  15. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Everything.

    Cherundolo has nothing on Pirlo, besides being an American and a former USMNT.

    With that said, Cherundolo served his Nation extremely well.
     
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  16. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    Every coach is available for the right price.
     
  17. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I think he's too old for this job, FWIW. But for a second or ten or twenty, it sounds kind of like it makes sense. I can convince myself that it makes sense. It makes a lot more sense than Klinsmann ever did.
     
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  18. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    In other words, the fact that Pirlo is a big name is your big draw, even though he hasn't really been terribly successful as a manager thus far in his thus far very limited managerial experience. Because great players correspondingly make great managers.

    I mean, it's totally worked for Klinsmann. Our best manager ever, right? No American player has ever been that close...
     
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  19. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    This is so sad. Why keep beating a dead horse.

    We are at a point where we have over half of our players playing CL/EL clubs, but keep trying to get MLS level coach to lead them.
     
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  20. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Where do Germany keep getting all these Nagelsmanns and Klopps and Tuchels from?
     
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  21. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I think DeBruyne shut himself down, personally. The openings were there; he was not on.

    I was pro-Martinez in 2019. I'm still not anti. I mean, I'd take his 2014 run in 2026. But I really haven't watched a ton to understand all the hate.

    National team coaches are not liked. Even the good ones. The Brazilians are good now with Tite, but they have grown to be okay with him. The Spanish love Luis Enrique.

    I'd bet the Japanese love their coach. Morocco. Argentina did until they lost game 1.

    England, Portugal, and a bunch of others hate their coaches despite some success. The French hated Deschamp until they won; now they have to shut up.

    I'd take Hansi Flick, even though there's a good argument that he's the reason they didn't make it out of the group.

    But I think people are overestimating how many people want to be a national team coach of a country that isn't their own.
     
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  22. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    A point that is completely fair.
     
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  23. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He has more coaching experience, including experience with a national team at the youth and senior levels. He doesn't have the accent or the great head of hair, though.
     
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  24. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Lack of coaching experience?

    Limited success as a manager?

    Remind me again how many years of head coaching experience at top league/club does Cherundolo has?

    Which trophies had he won?

    At least with a guy like Pirlo, you bring in a different mentality, perspectives, etc. Rather than the same old good boy club. That shit is BORING!
     
  25. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Is that what you're looking for? A different accent and good hair?

    I thought we're looking to upgrade our coach here.

    But never mind, go back to the same old MLS coaches routine and have another 4 years of boring and disappointed soccer.

    I do believe our players are now talented enough to deserve a coach at their level.
     

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