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  1. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are you talking about? :confused: Just about everybody is saying there are some positives, but that we were out matched and we are looking forward to 2026.

    I'm really confused as to what you expected? Did you think we were going to say, "yeah, we suck, we should never have been at this WC"? Or maybe you have been on the Fire Berhalter train and though those should have been the comments (of which there were many, just not preceded by "Berhalter sucks")?
     
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  2. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    I think Berhalter was perfectly serviceable. He met, but didn't exceed, the expectations that were given to him. I don't really understand the hate (other than a peculiarly American self-loathing of any soccer figure that doesn't have an English accent.) The spirit of the team was fine, the results were fine, and the tactics were fine.

    Is Berhalter the second-coming of Rinus Michels? Probably not. Is he as awful as Klinsmann? Gawd, no. In a way, he's a Bidenesque figure. He's not a transformational savior but rather he represents a return to normalcy, a leader who's defined more by what he ain't than what he is.
     
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  3. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    So we should replace him with Brad Friedel?! :ROFLMAO:
     
  4. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So I've been thinking about this in the back of my head. Back in 1994 when I was in LA around soccer loving people, I was the expert on the US national teams (both). Then 1999 comes around and WoSo kicked it up big time (prior to the cup even). It was 2002 for the men, but even then it was most us devoted who were waking up at 5am EST. I mean, can you imaging how crazy we must have seemed?

    And then in 2010, it was a different story. In the [sarcasm] soccer madhouse of Memphis [/sarcasm] there were many bars filled and the one I was at was crazy. That would have been so isolated in 2002. Of course, 2010 was also the year we beat Algeria.

    But now? We are one generation from 2002. We finally have commentators who are not Argentine or Italian or Mexican who can discuss the game. Unfortunately, they are from the generation in which fans still needed the game explained to them, so that is what they do. That latter part needs to stop. Talk like the fans know the match, understand the rules, understand tactics. FFS, a hell of a lot of us watch soccer year round.

    Most of us in this thread, and this corner of BS have played and/or watched the game for 30+ years. A great many of us not only got to see some of the US legends play live in a stadium, but we also saw many world legends, like Maradona, Baggio, Ronaldo, Zizu, etc. We don't need the game explained to us. But there are also many 30+ who are similar. Many have seen Messi, CR7, Kane, Neymar, Mbappe, DeBryune, etc. play live in person. They, too, don't need the game explained.

    TV people need to move on and talk to us as if we know. This is not the Olympics where we need the gymnastics scoring system explained.
     
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  5. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You've been in this corner of BS long enough to know that when there is a problem which doesn't respect the rights of the people (speech, labor, movement, safety, etc), we have an issue, usually quite strongly. None of this is new, and it should not be to you. Further, you've been called out on this several times in this thread. You seem to not understand that.

    And it is absolutely disgusting that I am defending my country the way that I am towards posts like yours.
     
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  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    He's not even the 2nd coming of Linus Van Pelt.

    Spirit, yes. Cause we're plucky!
    Results were meh. About what I expected.
    Tactics also meh. D broke down in this game but we're not up to the elite talent.
     
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  7. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IIRC, in most places it is law to have 2 days off per week, or something equivalent, for all workers. As I understand, even the oil workers in the gulf, who are stuck on a rig for 6 months at a time, still get "weekends" off.

    There are exceptions, of course, such as around there when it snows, the garbage people who drive the trucks are called in to drive the snowplows when necessary. But they are later given equivalent time off.
     
  8. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Berhalter as a coach reminds me of Berhalter as a player: adequate, but I’ll be happy when we have someone better.
     
  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Who's up next? Ted Lasso?
     
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  10. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I know I am preaching to the converted, but I just about chucked my phone after reading a post-match article about how Berhalter was complaining that we lack a world-class striker, with the writer implying that was the difference between the two teams.

    WTF?

    1) Dutch goal #1 - A better set-up than any U.S. set-up all game. Yeah Pulisic had a good opportunity from a fluky play, and we scored a goal on a funky play, but we never deliberately put one of our forwards in such an attractive scoring position.

    2) Dutch goal #2 - Ditto

    3) Dutch goal #3 - Ditto

    Anybody reading that article who either missed the game or who doesn't understand soccer well will be totally misled by its argument. It is true that the U.S. doesn't have a world-class striker. But that was not the difference in this game.
     
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  11. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    I’m pretty sure you are missing the point I’m alluding to. And the people calling out are taking me way too seriously.

    Nobody is (seriously) calling for the US not to have the World Cup in 2026. That would be preposterous because the US, despite its shortcomings, is one of the best countries in the world when you look at most of the metrics on which you judge a country (at least as far as its domestic policies are concerned). Not the best, but one of.

    And yet it has done things in its recent history, both to its own citizens and especially abroad, which are truly beyond the pale. There is a long list on which people should reflect on, and I’ve no doubt many here have and will continue to do so, but again, those are not real reasons to suggest it can’t host a global sports event.

    Qatar is similar. There is a lot you can criticise it for, but none of that makes it go on a sporting blacklist for a global sports event. Many Muslims will see Qatar like most westerners see the US - positive country, towards the top of the list in the world, much still to improve.

    This is a World Cup, not a Western Cup. If Qatar is on a sporting blacklist, so is the US and Britain etc and the only places the Cup can be held (if anywhere) are the Scandinavian countries.
     
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  12. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
    Club:
    OSP Lechia Gdansk
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    i think he’s under contract right now, don’t know if he’s gonna leave his high paying gig
     
  13. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    #2163 usscouse, Dec 3, 2022
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    Calm down and check your blood pressure. Going off on a rant lake that is not good for you. :)
    I don’t remember saying any of that. I mentioned looking in there and it seemed like they watched a different game.
    You must be a poster there. :)
     
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  14. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Your English envy is showing in almost every post that involves football.
    How long did you live in England and which team did you follow there, you seen very knowledgeable.
     
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  15. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    RDP plays a very different role than Lautaro. He is in midfield and touches a lot of the ball. He can get his game back from there, build his confidence as well and he has been doing so. A forward is definitely different, you do not get the ball that often, you need to take advantage of opportunities, score or create for others.
    He is not doing that missing relatively easy chances. He looks shaken and mentally shot. The knock out stage is not the best situation to rebuild a striker's confidence and Scaloni needs to play with the ones in form. He should keep Julian and if needed give Correa a shot. The Lautaro experiment in this WC can't continue. At the end of the match, even Messi basically refused to pass him the ball. He is a liability.
     
  16. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
    Club:
    OSP Lechia Gdansk
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I think it has more to do with being benched by a pasty faced English coach (of dubious quality and/or experience) hired for the summer to coach at his local town rec league, when he was a kid

    ;)
     
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  17. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I am nominating Julianne Sitch for the USMNT head coaching job. She just led our local boys, the University of Chicago men's soccer team, to a national D3 title, with a 22-0-1 record. As the team's only draw was against another squad that had a women's coach, she boasts the attribute of never losing to male coaches. That should be an advantage when competing in a men's World Cup.
     
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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Hmmm...sounds sus :cautious:
     
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  19. NORML

    NORML Member+

    Aug 9, 2002
    Lake Wobegon, MN
    Club:
    NSC Minnesota Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2169 NORML, Dec 3, 2022
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    If only the best athletes in America participated in Olympic long track speed skating, there would definitely be a trickle down to soccer
     
  20. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    You're mistaking envy and loathing.

    Now that's not too far off the mark actually.
     
  21. NORML

    NORML Member+

    Aug 9, 2002
    Lake Wobegon, MN
    Club:
    NSC Minnesota Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    nope. they wrapped up filming and they say this is the last season. we will see, doing a season as him coaching USA leading up to 2026 could be fun way to drum up extra interest... We could do that, or we could just force our coach to wear cheap Nike t-shirts on the side line.
     
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  22. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Right. And it gets even more difficult to regain confidence when your replacement is scoring every match.
     
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  23. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2173 soccernutter, Dec 3, 2022
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    Your posts read as you being serious.

    And here is where you are getting called out. It is not just recent history, but goes back as far as the founding of our country.

    For all of the problems Qatar has, at least among us, we are also using Qatar as a specific example of sportswashing. There is PSG and Man City and Newcastle. There is LIV. There is F1.

    But there is also a list of things the Qatari promised and then reneged. Things like allowing alcohol in stadiums (for everybody) and allowing people to be who they are (gays).

    And a lot of us are also angered at the governing bodies. For instance, UEFA backed Hungary in the banning of gay support during the 2020/21 Euros. FIFA basically did the same.

    And underlying all of this is the cost. It was obscene when Brasil spend $11b on the WC, and then Russia surpassed it at $14b. But the $220b that Qatar spent, and there is no indication of that being domestically questionable (like it was in Brasil)?

    One of the things you are completely missing is that Qatar bribed members to get the WC as the starting point.
     
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  24. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You said "Trump won, election denier." As I recall, nobody was even close to that. In fact, almost everybody was pretty close to what we are here. I'd argue that @JohnR is (rightfully) harsher than most, but even he is not really out of the norm. To be clear, there was absolutely nobody denying anything.

    Is that still a talking point, that the best athletes don't participate in soccer? I'm not involved in the US boards, so I don't know what the talking points are.
     
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  25. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Especially in Las Vegas
    Oh, wait, that was fear and loathing
     
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