News: Fire Berhalter

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  1. wynaldaisagod

    wynaldaisagod Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Aug 9, 2019
    There are a few things about Gregg that irk me but some of his quotes like this are #1:




    Memphis hasn't scored a CL goal for over 2 years. This (along with the whole moving goalposts on Gio) lying just shows how he thinks we're all just idiots.

    There is an insane level of arrogance by Gregg to play the same exact tactics, XI vs. LvG/the Netherlands. Not switch ANYTHING. Believing his system will win the day.
     
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  2. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The difference in this game is that Netherlands had 5 solid chances and made 3 of them into goals (60%) when our MLS defenders Dest, Adams, and Robinson were out of position.

    The US had 5 solid chances and made 0 of them into goals (0%)
     
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  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Though this current group has only ever picked one coach. Stewart hired Berhalter and will hire the next coach (in consultation with McBride and subject to sign off by the USSF board). Previous coaches were hired by Gulati who is long gone.
     
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  4. Rezelby

    Rezelby Member

    Aug 1, 2010
    Wow, how the federation isn’t walking him out the door right after that comment is beyond me. Completely delusional and he must not have been watching the same game
     
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  5. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He can't see his tactical failings, which is why he also can't adapt.
     
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  6. Douglas Campbell

    BVB
    United States
    Mar 2, 2018
    I don't think it was so bad. The Dutch basically took their two chances in the first half, while Pulisic should have scored at point blank range. If we are marking those guys, maybe they don't score in this game.

    Even though Reyna & Aaronson should have gotten more minutes in this tournament, depth for us was a problem. I think in four years this problem will be solved. The core of our team except for Tim Ream will still be around. Would be good if we can also find a striker in that time, or if Sargent steps up and becomes the man.
     
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  7. Android Cat

    Android Cat Member+

    Sep 16, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was a problem. Mostly because of Greg in my opinion. To a better coach, Pefok, Tillman, Sands, Palmer-Brown, Pepi, Brooks, and perhaps Mihailovic and Cannon would have likely been far better options over the likes of Long, Ferreira, Wright, Yedlin, Morris, and Shaq Moore in my opinion.
     
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  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Central defense was our most effective unit in Qatar. Zimmerman's foul in the box was the only blip. Even the third goal today was because Robinson was marking the wrong player.
     
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  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty sure he hasn't checked Transfermkt between the final whistle and the press conference.
     
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  10. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
    Club:
    Los Angeles Sol
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    No, we didn't. And far more than who or what?

    Having said that, the job calls for the team to play as well as it possibly can in World Cup elimination games. Berhalter, for whatever reason, failed to do this against the Netherlands. It's up to Cindy and Earnie now to decide whether there were extenuating reasons for that.
     
  11. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this isnt the only failure he's had though....the list is extensive....

    I dont even wanna entertain the idea that he could still a candidate for 2026
     
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  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What other legit "Failures" has he had? Legit meaning other than in your opinion.

    He played too many MLS players.....literally brought fewer MLS players than the last three FT USMNT coaches. The MLS Players on this WC Roster played the fewest minutes. Outside of Zimmerman, all of the others were late game subs.

    He didn't *insert name of fave player here to the World Cup!!! That's not a Gregg problem.....

    Beat Mexico three times in one year.......

    Won the Gold Cup.....which Klinsmann failed to do in 2015.

    Gold Cup doesn't matter......it's not the Euros!!! It's literally Concacaf's version of the Euros....

    He didn't schedule friendlies versus high level opponents!!! Literally not his job. Also, opponents are much more difficult to schedule due to Nations League (Europe, Asia, etc...)..

    He literally did what was asked of him. Bring in younger players for this generation and subsequent cycles. Win Nations League and Gold Cup. Qualify for the World Cup, get out of the group.
     
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  13. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    If writing is a true reflection of the human voice, then I never want to hear yours, sir.
     
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  14. AngelaMerkin

    AngelaMerkin Member+

    Dec 2, 2005
    credit to him... he did alright for the tournament and progressed the team out of the group.

    That said, tactically, he showed a lot of naivety. Subs, poor. Then again, i'm not in the inner circle and don't know the full injury situation, fitness. etc... but the subs situation was head scratching and tossing Jesus in for the knockout game... yeeeesh.

    Would an "LVG" type manager be a massive upgrade for the 2026 edition? Yep. Will we attract one? unsure. Also, that may be moot as Berhalter may want to do this again and the federation will probably reward him because his track record has been good.

    I still stand by the assertion the group is winning in spite of him, not because of him.

    1000% credit though on his recruitment of dual/triple/quad nationals and building a healthy team chemistry.
     
  15. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    That's not really what the decision should be. It's whether he did as well expected and whether or not there's a coach available who could do better. While I think Gregg did a respectable job, the answers for me are no and hopefully yes.
     
  16. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    What should we expect? Berhalter was literally the Roldan of the 2002 and 2006 World Cup teams.
     
  17. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    Greg took over with less experience.
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Untrue. Obviously.
     
  19. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    Profound argument. You win.
     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So your argument is that Cherundolo’s one year in MLS is more experience than GGG’s 5 years in MLS?

    It’s been this way since GGG was hired…his detractors are mostly right, but they treat objective reality like a vampire treats sunlight or a cross. Like, I want to agree with them, but they’re just so allergic to facts!
     
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  21. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps you meant "took over with less winning experience"?
    I do not want to see Cherundolo as our manager [yet]. It is too soon in his career as one. But so far, relative to 3G's, we do have:
    Cherundolo-- 1 Supporter's Shield, 1 MLS Cup [in 1 season]
    Berhalter-- Nada, Zip, Nil, Rien, Zero........
     
  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gregg Berhalter was playing for Crystal palace, Energie Cottbus, and 1860 Munich from 2002-2006. He started two games at the 2002 World Cup. He only played three seasons in MLS, after 15 years playing in Europe. He wasn't Roldan. He wasn't Pele either.
     
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  23. Android Cat

    Android Cat Member+

    Sep 16, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Panama away-game during qualifying wasn't a struggle? How many shots on goal did we have against Panama in that game? Our two games against Canada weren't a struggle? Did we beat them? The Jamaica away-game was easy-peasy? The only reason that we didn't have to play against New Zealand to qualify was because we at least had a better goal differential compared to Costa Rica - if we didn't get those goals in the Panama game, then what? What was our away-record in CONCACAF like for this qualifying cycle? Would you care to remind us? And how late into qualifying did we, practically, secure our qualification?

    Right. :cautious:
     
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  24. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--

    Lol, they should use that in the press release when he moves on.
     
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  25. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m always amazed by all the people who simultaneously insist that people shouldn’t watch MLS because it’s not as good as the best European leagues and deride MLS for not having an organic fan culture. I mean, nobody over the age of 10 who’s cheering for team that has never been above the English third tier thinks their team is as good as Man City. They just think it’s their team. Danish Superliga fans know the league’s best team isn’t going to win the Champions League no matter how lucky it gets. They still support their team.

    It doesn’t make you a more discerning fan to bandwagon the biggest teams in the biggest leagues as they play games that you may never get to see in person. Plastic glory-hunting is not the basis for a fun and rewarding fan culture.
     

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